hummeldike Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 So I saw a video of a guy dipping little cherry bombs into red plasti-dip and now I want to make cherrybombs, and I was wondering what's the best recipe. Also, where can I get waterproof fuses to work underwater?Thanks.
Sparx88 Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 Your not going to get any such recipe's here. This is for legitimate legal pyrotechnics. As far as good waterproof fuse, try cannonfuse.com or skylighter.
pyroman2498 Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 If you were to actually read the forum rules , you would see we don't deal with that type of shit here , and if you would quite watching YouTube videos and actually read on real pyrotechnics you would know all need to know , and you are watching "TheChemist45" who I think IMHO is just someone wHo blows shit up and knows nothing of safety....Honestly you should leave the forums and stop thinking of doing pyrotechnics before you kill your self ..... Stay safe and Stay green ~Steven 1
Blackthumb Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 Read...ask...learn from the best here....keep your eyes and fingers....
schroedinger Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 Why doesn't allow my browser to make a ninja face?
ddewees Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) http://www.epicurious.com/images/recipesmenus/2008/2008_june/242514.jpg This is the bomb! No waterproofing necessary... just eat it. Edit: Sorry, you asked for the recipe... here you go!http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Classic-Sour-Cherry-Pie-with-Lattice-Crust-242514 Edited August 22, 2014 by ddewees 3
Carbon796 Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 Shouldn't, even have help him get fuse, knowing its intended use . . .
pyrokid Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) I don't understand all this. They blow up multi pound ground salutes at PGI, and no one says a thing. Expressing the desire to engage in such activities here causes a flurry of condescension. Is it impossible that someone might have a nostalgic desire to make a cherry bomb? Real cherry bombs were made with cup sets filled with flash, no fuse. They were rolled in sodium silicate solution and sawdust until they were round, and then died red. They were fused when dry. Obviously it's dangerous to puncture something filled with flash. If the fused cup set might be dipped into some composition that retains its plasticity when dried, a safer cherry bomb could result. Edited August 22, 2014 by pyrokid
Carbon796 Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 Is it the experience level that you do not understand? Or a legal permitted, licensed,and insured event location. That you do not understand ? 2
Shadowcat1969 Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 Salutes, whether on the ground or areial, at a licensed, insured event are legal to do. Making your own is not, and nobody who is responsible wants to encourage anyone to do things that are not legal. Especially something illegal that can cause extreme bodily harm or property damage.
pyrokid Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 Is it the experience level that you do not understand? Or a legal permitted, licensed,and insured event location. That you do not understand ? All you know is that OP is interested in a novel method for coating cherry bombs. You have no idea of the legal status of his activities. Furthermore, small salutes are simple to make. Salutes, whether on the ground or areial, at a licensed, insured event are legal to do. Making your own is not, and nobody who is responsible wants to encourage anyone to do things that are not legal. Especially something illegal that can cause extreme bodily harm or property damage. Making your own salutes is perfectly legal under some circumstances. Where do you think the PGI ground bombs come from? I'd submit that the pyrotechnic endeavors of many members of this forum are in some way illegal. Does that make all of us irresponsible for encouraging it? All fireworks can cause great bodily harm.
Oinikis Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) I guess it's fine for inexperienced pyro to make firecrackers, as long as you:A: Use "safe" explosive, such as black powder, and not any sensitive and dangerous explosive as flash.B: Do not make them over sized.C: Do not annoy or harm other people, especially your neighbors.D: Follow rules and common sense, like do not go near explosive device if it didn't worked for at least 10 minutes, or ballmill using marbles.E: Do not draw attention.Also don't forget to read and learn. You can't do too much research, and you can't be too safe. Edited August 22, 2014 by Oinikis
BurritoBandito Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) I agree with pyrokid that we don't know the legal status of these devices in the OP's country. It is easy to assume that he is in the US, but he never stated his location to my knowledge.Legality aside, experience and knowledge are important things to consider when discussing construction of ground salutes. Unfortunately, in the case of hummledike, that level of experience has not yet been obtained. Hummledike, I mean no offense in saying this, but the questions you have asked in other threads is a strong indicator that you're not ready to be making devices like this. Take it slow, and you'll have a lifetime to gain experience. Trying to rush into things could shorten that lifetime dramatically. Edit: "D: Follow rules and common sense, like do not go near explosive device if it didn't worked for at least 10 minutes, or ballmill using marbles." This statement is all too true, and is a perfect example of how not doing things the right way can have devastating effects. I don't mean to get up on a soapbox, and act like I am the leading authority on what is or is not safe. After all, I am the dumbass who recently blew up his hands by using marbles as a grinding media. This does not give me the experience to know what is safe, but I CAN speak from experience about how bad it sucks to have an accident involving explosives. Sorry Pyrokid autocorrect changed your name to pyramid. I've corrected it now. Edited August 22, 2014 by BurritoBandito
Carbon796 Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) "All you know is that OP is interested in a novel method for coating cherry bombs. You have no idea of the legal status of his activities." And yet, neither do you. But on a public forum you feel compelled to encourage someone to possibly engage in ( or build )an illegal and dangerous activity ( or device) ? "Furthermore, small salutes are simple to make." So is buying fuse, but Hummeldlike seems to need help from others, just to do that correctly.That is probably also what the person thought. Who was making illegal M-80 type devices in his basement in Kansas, 2-3 months ago. Apparently they were not simple enough for him. "Making your own salutes is perfectly legal under some circumstances. Where do you think the PGI ground bombs come from?" Both Shadowcat1969 and I already pointed that out, thanks for reading. Edited August 22, 2014 by Carbon796
pyrokid Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 You criminalized him through the implication that his actions were illegal without knowledge of his circumstances. I pointed out the flaw in your reasoning. I never encouraged him to do anything. Driving a car is potentially illegal and dangerous too. I will reiterate that small salutes are simple to make. Your Kansas story has nothing to do with OP. I don't believe in shielding people from information for their own safety.
MrB Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 "All you know is that OP is interested in a novel method for coating cherry bombs. You have no idea of the legal status of his activities." And yet, neither do you. But on a public forum you feel compelled to encourage someone to possibly engage in ( or build )an illegal and dangerous activity ( or device) ?Actually, if you read his post, you'd see the BB is clearly recommending this kid NOT to go any further, he's also NOT providing details as how to make "cherry bombs". Something that sort of makes me wonder tho... These threads pretty much always fall back on an argument that i don't really understand. Why is it that people keep bringing up the question of legality?I can see that people wouldn't want to help a minor hurt them self, or help anyone hurt others, but the question of legality pretty much has to be put squarely on the shoulders of the hobbyist. At least a few of the members on this forum is exercising their right to break the law, call it civil disobedience if you like, by making pyro. Lets make it clear. I came upon this thread pretty much moments after he posted it, and refused to post in it, there is no way in hell that i'm going to help someone get them self hurt in a way like this. But the legality of it never really concerned me.B! 1
rogeryermaw Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 facts are, if someone wants to make bomz and be kewl they will and nothing said here will stop them. we all have been through those days. many have lost a lot of skin, money and freedom as a result and people still do it. but in a setting like this, and you will have to forgive the more rabid responses, we have safety and freedom in our sights. now beyond trying to save your life we have another agenda. PYRO IS ALWAYS UNDER FIRE BY THE KNEE JERK, REACTIONARY WATCHDOGS AND THE CPSC!!! bomz n kewlz are what they use for fuel against our beloved hobby. so don't expect to find help here.
Shadowcat1969 Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 Actually, if you read his post, you'd see the BB is clearly recommending this kid NOT to go any further, he's also NOT providing details as how to make "cherry bombs". Something that sort of makes me wonder tho... These threads pretty much always fall back on an argument that i don't really understand. Why is it that people keep bringing up the question of legality?I can see that people wouldn't want to help a minor hurt them self, or help anyone hurt others, but the question of legality pretty much has to be put squarely on the shoulders of the hobbyist. At least a few of the members on this forum is exercising their right to break the law, call it civil disobedience if you like, by making pyro. Lets make it clear. I came upon this thread pretty much moments after he posted it, and refused to post in it, there is no way in hell that i'm going to help someone get them self hurt in a way like this. But the legality of it never really concerned me.B!Well, actually, Carbon was replying to Pyrokid, not BB.... As to pointing out the fact that it is illegal, by doing so we place the onus back on the shoulders of the poster. At least in as much as is possible to do. If someone were simply to give them the information to make these devices, that could come back on both the person that posted it and the entire forum and/or community, especially if the person took the advice and then went out and hurt themselves or others. I also very much do not want anyone to get hurt, physically OR legally through our beloved hobby. For that reason, I think it is best to point out that these devices are illegal (at least in the U.S. - yes that assumption was made and should not have been), except under certain specific, authorized circumstances. Discussion of salutes is not necessarily a bad thing, but as has been discussed multiple times here, probably should NOT be undertaken with brand new posters, until they have shown themselves to have at least a modicum of safety consciousness and general pyro knowledge. That particular opinion of mine is one that everyone must evaluate for themselves though and decide if they want to potentially have some responsibility for a "newb" or "kewl" hurting themselves.
Carbon796 Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 "You criminalized him through the implication that his actions were illegal without knowledge of his circumstances. I pointed out the flaw in your reasoning." You must have missed my use of the words "possibly and probably". You must have also missed the fact, that I have not directed a single post towards Hummeldlike. Or hypothesized about any actions, he may or may not have taken. "Driving a car is potentially illegal and dangerous too." True, but he's not asking where to buy spark plugs. Also " if " ( did you see the " If " ) he is in the USA. The sale and manufacture of cars has not been banned since 1966 " I don't believe in shielding people from information for their own safety." No one's shielding him, but no one's spoon feeding either, are they ? Yep, your still right small salutes are simple to make, and I will reiterate, people can still get hurt making them. But you have ask yourself, with such a simple device, why would anyone need to ask, how to make one ?
taiwanluthiers Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 Ground salutes at PGI is legally sanctioned event, making one in the backyard is not. Also "M-80" and its ilk are considered destructive devices by the ATF so making them will land you in jail indeed. However large salutes are legal in other countries... My guess is the OP wants to make a cherry bomb that can explode under water, to see what its effect is like... I can confirm that bottle rockets (not sure how waterproof they are) do go off under water, and it sounds like a quiet thud when it goes off. I know this because I watch other idiots throw bottle rockets after lighting them (rather than prop them up) and some of them goes underwater.
MrB Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 Well, actually, Carbon was replying to Pyrokid, not BB....True. But the same still applies. Anyway, i have little doubt, nobody is going to offer up a plethora of advice on how to make cherrybombs. But the main reason is not legality, it's safety, and possibly, liability. (Which sort of brings it back to legality, but for the advice giver, and his / her location) B!
dagabu Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 I wish to stay out of the argument, however there are some instances of misinformation that i feel I have to correct before you all go on with your debate. PGI does in no way condone or allow for Cherry Bombs or M-80's, they are not legal at PGI nor are you allowed to make them there. That said; M-80's and Cherry Bombs made before 1966 are legal to use at PGI but must follow the rules for forth by the BOD for their use. There is NO open flash allowed at PGI, period. Ground SALUTES (the word bomb has other connotations that we just dont need in the PGI) have to be binary mixed if made on site and must be done with Manufacturing approval. Most are made and brought to PGI in a finished condition. If one were to make either Cherry Bombs or M-80's on site at convention, I am pretty sure you would loose your credentials and be banned from the Guild. It's really not a subject for conversation. The rub is that you can (I hit the button on 8 on the Superstring this year) make ground salutes and light them safely at PGI, one of my salutes on the SS was 1000g of good flash (all provided by Mum-Pyro). The main reason I say (and I believe most do as well) that we don't do that here and shoo them away is that almost all the kids that come here looking to make salutes are not interested in fireworks and mistake the two. I do not believe that salutes are fireworks but are an element IN fireworks in the same way that a star is not fireworks but an element IN fireworks. The second reason I shoo them away is that a child looking for information that is then provided by an adult (whether know or not know at the time) leads to an injury or death may be held liable (in the USA) and may be charged with many different crimes. The third reason is that I don't want them to make them, period. I was of an age where the salutes were still very much available and I know a few guys with missing fingers because of short fuses. Nothing new under the sun... As you were... 1
Merlin Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Illegal salutes are probably the simplest type of pyro device to make. However besides being illegal everyone for miles will know your doing it. I once /(legally) owned a machine gun and every time I pulledThe trigger everyone knew. I think it in nerved people. When you set off anear high explosive these days your going to get in trouble. In the USA.
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