Darwin Missed on this one "explosive ingredients easily available"

[nlrfly]

Darwin had the perfect chance to take care of this problem and failed.

count how many times you say "really?" while reading this story .

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http://www.mankatofreepress.com/local/x2117398799/ATF-Explosive-ingredients-easily-available?zc_p=0

Edited May 17, 2014 by nlrfly

[MrB]

 

 

Businesses making legal fireworks also use the same chemicals, but in much smaller amounts.

Thy guy had 15 bounds of Potassium perchlorate, 10 pounds of aluminum. I'm quite sure any "businesses making legal fireworks" worth the brand they hang on the front door, has quite a bit more at hand. The whole article is, as far as i can tell, blown way out of proportion, with the exception for one thing, which in turn seams glanced over. The fact that he was indeed storing gear to make IED for use on his local school-grounds.

Might just be me, but i feel the focus might be better directed to just that. Anyway, your right. Darwin awards should be rewarded, and still might be, when he ends up in jail.

B!

[BurritoBandito]

You have to die in the act of doing something stupid to get a Darwin award.

[MrB]

Yes... You think he wont be able to do something stupid in jail? I'm convinced he'll find a way...

B!

[BurritoBandito]

Oh no, people are innately stupid. A moron will be a moron regardless off his environment. I was just saying that he's not a nominee quite yet.

[somecommiebastard]

 

 

The two ingredients are commonly mixed to create flash powder, an "incredibly dangerous" and "very volatile" mixture used to make illegal fireworks or, in larger quantities, explosives, he said.

 

And this is why the ATF has to be one of my least favorite Bureau out of the bunch seeing that they have a history of incompetence.

I mean if they can't understand the basic properties of standard perchlorate flash down and treat it like its permanganate/chlorate flash or something as unstable as acetone peroxide and then label everyone who does pyrotechnics as "illegal firework makers" then they're not doing their job correctly and instead they just whine about how everything doesn't have a serial number that they could trace

 

also yes I know that the kid in the article was most likely planning on doing some malcontent shit but it pisses me off that this article has to pump all this bullshit into it and make it seem like we're all a bunch of people funding terrorists and our hobby is a completely illegal one

 

 

 

Many amateur bomb or fireworks makers also don't realize there are fine particles of dust that can accumulate on walls, ceilings and objects in a room where explosive chemicals are being mixed

 

This aluminum powder is astonishingly dangerous

 

Also more scare tactic bullshit that's pretty much cringe worthy

[BurritoBandito]

@Somecommiebastard: I think that they do understand the properties of this flash. While, yes it is undoubtably less sensitive than many other energetics, it is definitely very powerful and can be initiated by static, friction, heat, or shock. 70:30 flash can be used as a reactive target for shooters. The composition is often used in making illegal salutes, COBs, and other dangerous and illegal devices. This is not to say that I disagree that things are often blown out of proportion by the authorities and particularly the media.

 

"I mean if they can't understand the basic properties of standard perchlorate flash down and treat it like its permanganate/chlorate flash or something as unstable as acetone peroxide and then label everyone who does pyrotechnics as "illegal firework makers" then they're not doing their job correctly and instead they just whine about how everything doesn't have a serial number that they could trace"

[somecommiebastard]

@Somecommiebastard: I think that they do understand the properties of this flash. While, yes it is undoubtably less sensitive than many other energetics, it is definitely very powerful and can be initiated by static, friction, heat, or shock. 70:30 flash can be used as a reactive target for shooters. The composition is often used in making illegal salutes, COBs, and other dangerous and illegal devices. This is not to say that I disagree that things are often blown out of proportion by the authorities and particularly the media.

 

"I mean if they can't understand the basic properties of standard perchlorate flash down and treat it like its permanganate/chlorate flash or something as unstable as acetone peroxide and then label everyone who does pyrotechnics as "illegal firework makers" then they're not doing their job correctly and instead they just whine about how everything doesn't have a serial number that they could trace"

 

Yeah I know any kind of flash is generally something you don't want to screw around with in large amounts, but if theres one thing that really pisses me off it would be scaremongering and sensationalism and this article has plenty of it

[nater]

The ATF did not write the article. My minimal experiences with them and other similar agencies have been fairly pleasant.

[Shadowcat1969]

You're right Nater, the ATF most certainly did not write the article. Not only is there a lot of sensationalism around the chems, but there is at least one GLARINGLY wrong point, that the SKS would not require a background check. ALL modern firearms, purchased from a dealer, require a background check through the NICS system, at very least. An SKS definitely qualifies as modern.

 

As far as treating the chems with a high amount of respect (i.e. calling in the bomb squad), they certainly didn't know, going in, what they might be dealing with. The kid could have already had any number of things already mixed and ready to go.

 

And aluminum powder being "astonishingly dangerous", I would actually characterize that as a true statement, in regards to the greater percentage of the population. If you asked a random number of people on the street how dangerous a pound of aluminum powder is, I would bet you'll most often get a response on the order of "not at all, it's just aluminum, like a beverage can, how dangerous can that be?"

[taiwanluthiers]

Or it is possible some home might have been boobie trapped, so it might make sense for them to call the bomb squad