what license do i need?

[pyrorob13]

Hello

My name is Robert I'm from mishawaka Indiana every year i spend about 1k-2k in wholesale fireworks i buy in bulk. this year alone i got over 200 thats about $1000 in firework. Only thing im missing is the BOOMS aerial salute. Since They dont make 1.3 salutes i would half to get 1.4 im only wanting to buy 1 or 2 cakes of the 100shot thunder king what license would i want to get?

im only wanting to buy 2 1.4 cakes a year and light the day after the 4th........ i know of the type 54 55 and type 60 is there any other type's also what one would help me out the most.... also i only plan on buying in the state of indiana....

Edited January 28, 2014 by pyrorob13

[nater]

Robert, you'll need a BATFE User permit, formerly known as a Type 54 to purchase those fireworks. You will need a magazine or letters of contingency in order to get the user permit. To get a magazine you will need a State and Federal permit for the license at a minimum, and most likely some local permits or zoning variances as well. That only allows you to legally purchase these fireworks.

 

To use them, you will need to apply for a permit from your local fire department for a "supervised fireworks display" and pay the appropriate fee to the State. You will need to provide a copy of your shooter's resume to the Fire Chief and the State proving you know what you are doing with this product. You will also need to proof of liability and property damage insurance for the show. The site will be inspected prior to the AHJ issuing the permit and you must adhere to all standards set by NFPA 1123 and/or any additional requests by the AHJ.

 

These are the minimums to discharge 1.3g fireworks in the State, even for private use. The AHJ can require more. There are more considerations if this would be a public display. If your only desire is to supplement your backyard 1.4 shows with some noise, please move along. Stepping up to display product is MUCH, MUCH more dangerous than anything you can buy in the stores. Your knowledge and responsibility to purchase, transport, store, and discharge the product safely is greatly increased as well.

[pyrorob13]

lol wow the government took away all the fun.

[nater]

In this case, it isn't such a bad thing. Display fireworks are an entirely different world than consumer fireworks. Mishaps with display fireworks kill people and they deserve the utmost respect. Judging from how I have seen "regular joes" treat consumer fireworks, I don't want them anywhere near a TK or small display shell.

 

Indiana is a very fireworks friendly state, even for professionals. Most of what I mentioned are the federal regulations which the State mirrors. If you think it is bad here, our neighbors in Ohio and to a lesser degree, Illinois, have it much worse.

[pyrorob13]

Well i guess ill be good for now till i get my house built in the country then get the type 54, I can have a 8x10 storage container with all the specs they require right?

[pyrorob13]

surprised they have not banned having to many 1.3 fireworks.

[pyrorob13]

In this case, it isn't such a bad thing. Display fireworks are an entirely different world than consumer fireworks. Mishaps with display fireworks kill people and they deserve the utmost respect. Judging from how I have seen "regular joes" treat consumer fireworks, I don't want them anywhere near a TK or small display shell.

 

Indiana is a very fireworks friendly state, even for professionals. Most of what I mentioned are the federal regulations which the State mirrors. If you think it is bad here, our neighbors in Ohio and to a lesser degree, Illinois, have it much worse.

You are right about people being stupid to put it blunt... or mishandling fireworks I alway fire my fireworks off remotely seen to many people get hurt trying to light off alot at the same time or standing next to them while shooting off ...

[nater]

For magazine, shipping containers are commonly converted. You'll need certain types of locks, a non-sparking interior, and a few other requirements which are all outlined in the Orange Book. Most importantly, you'll need space. A certain setback from public roads and habitable buildings. Although, YOUR home does not count. Rightfully so, the BATFE allows you to risk your own property inside their setback distance, just not risk someone elses'.

 

I shoot for a company in Indiana and I don't deal with the legal aspect of the magazine. Other people here and on other sites have gone through that part of the paperwork and can offer more help than I can. I just shoot displays in the region, so I'm much more familiar with the use of the product than the storage of it.

 

There's nothing wrong with being near the fireworks as you are lighting them either, so long as you know what you are doing. We handlight shows all the time, and there's nothing quite like handlighting racks of 6s. Proper equipment, PPE and handling is all you need. E-firing is great, but only transfers the risk that you had manually lighting the shell to when you are setting it up.

 

You also seem to be confusing the DOT designations.

 

1.3g - Most, commercial, professional display fireworks.

1.4g - Commercial, consumer fireworks which can be purchased by anyone over 18 in stores.

 

There are other types in between and a few that cross the lines, but those are the main two.

Edited January 28, 2014 by nater

[pyrorob13]

For magazine, shipping containers are commonly converted. You'll need certain types of locks, a non-sparking interior, and a few other requirements which are all outlined in the Orange Book. Most importantly, you'll need space. A certain setback from public roads and habitable buildings. Although, YOUR home does not count. Rightfully so, the BATFE allows you to risk your own property inside their setback distance, just not risk someone elses'.

 

I shoot for a company in Indiana and I don't deal with the legal aspect of the magazine. Other people here and on other sites have gone through that part of the paperwork and can offer more help than I can. I just shoot displays in the region, so I'm much more familiar with the use of the product than the storage of it.

i dont know if i correct or not but i believe a type 3 storage with three Hockey puck locks is what i would need if i plan on having it on my land and it would be about 1000 feet away from my house and any streets..

i dont know if i correct or not but i believe a type 3 storage with three Hockey puck locks is what i would need if i plan on having it on my land and it would be about 1000 feet away from my house and any streets..

Also who do you shoot for?

[pyrorob13]

For magazine, shipping containers are commonly converted. You'll need certain types of locks, a non-sparking interior, and a few other requirements which are all outlined in the Orange Book. Most importantly, you'll need space. A certain setback from public roads and habitable buildings. Although, YOUR home does not count. Rightfully so, the BATFE allows you to risk your own property inside their setback distance, just not risk someone elses'.

 

I shoot for a company in Indiana and I don't deal with the legal aspect of the magazine. Other people here and on other sites have gone through that part of the paperwork and can offer more help than I can. I just shoot displays in the region, so I'm much more familiar with the use of the product than the storage of it.

 

There's nothing wrong with being near the fireworks as you are lighting them either, so long as you know what you are doing. We handlight shows all the time, and there's nothing quite like handlighting racks of 6s. Proper equipment, PPE and handling is all you need. E-firing is great, but only transfers the risk that you had manually lighting the shell to when you are setting it up.

 

You also seem to be confusing the DOT designations.

 

1.3g - Most, commercial, professional display fireworks.

1.4g - Commercial, consumer fireworks which can be purchased by anyone over 18 in stores.

 

There are other types in between and a few that cross the lines, but those are the main two.

are the thuderkings 1.3 sorry had them backwards

Edited January 28, 2014 by pyrorob13

[nater]

No, Thunderkings are 1.3g. They have more flash in them than is allowed for a consumer product. Just about everything with a salute is 1.3g. I don't know of any consumer product with salutes that is legal as a 1.4g item. The premium canister shells, like Excalibur kits and Big's Pro Shells are probably the loudest items that are legal for consumers.

 

If you are looking for advice on the best consumer product, go over to http://pyrouniverse.com/ and join that forum. There are quite a few Hoosiers there who are really into the consumer stuff.

Edited January 28, 2014 by nater

[pyrorob13]

or the term Display Firework not class B Fireworks

[BrainDamage]

http://pyrotalk.com/shopping.php is a dvd about geting you type 54 license

[Dean411]

Actually you can aquire a type 54 without storage of your own, you would need at a minimum a contingent form a storage, which can be aquired from most display companies some are no charge some charge a small fee.

I would recommend joining a Pyro club as a start, that will get you in the door not sure of one in indiana however michigan has the Mpag and we have members from Illinois and Wisconsin.

You can learn alot from alot of like minded people and then maybe move up to a type 20 manufacturers license.

Www.mpag.org

 

Dean

[Mumbles]

There is a club based in your region called the Heartland Pyrotechnics Association. www.heartlandpyro.org They generally meet at a variety of sites within about an hour of you.