old news overreaction sorry

[Sparx88]

If your order contains any of the chemicals listed below in a limited quantity and normally would be shipped by UPS without a hazmat fee, we are not able to ship them this way either. We have approval to ship most hazmat type chemicals in limited Qty’s by US Postal Service avoiding any Hazmat fees normally imposed if shipped by UPS.

The following Oxidizers are restricted to 1 lb per year WITHOUT a current ATFE Manufacture License:

AMMONIUM NITRATE POTASSIUM CHLORATE POTASSIUM NITRATE POTASSIUM PERCHLORATE BARIUM NITRATE SODIUM CHLORATE SODIUM NITRATE STRONTIUM NITRATE POTASSIUM PERMANGANATE

The following oxidizers DO NOT require an ATFE to purchase;

AMMONIUM PERCHLORATE BARIUM CHLORATE BARIUM PEROXIDE STRONTIUM PEROXIDE POTASSIUM DICHROMATE

The following Fuels WITH AVERAGE PARTICLE SIZES FINER THAN 100 MESH are restricted to having a current ATF license: Those not requiring an ATFE are so listed throughout the catalog.

ALUMINUM and ALUMINUM ALLOYS MAGNESIUM (finer than 100 mesh) MAGNESIUM/ALUMINUM (MAGNALLIUM) (finer than 100 mesh) ANTIMONY TRISULFIDE POTASSIUM BENZOATE, AIR MILLED SODIUM BENZOATE, AIR MILLED SODIUM SALICYLATE, AIR MILLED SULFUR POWDER (flake sulfur not regulated) TITANIUM SPONGE (finer than 100 mesh) ZINC ZIRCONIUM (finer than 100 mesh) ZIRCONIUM HYDRIDE.

The following fuels DO NOT require an ATFE Manufacturer permit to purchase;

Stock # C167 POTASSIUM BENZOATE, FLAKE Stock # C181PF SODIUM BENZOATE, FLAKE TITANIUM ALLOYS (all are coarser than 100 mesh) MAGNESIUM AND MAGNESIUM ALLOYS 10 to 100 mesh (with or without 50%+ Mg chips) ALUMINUM POWDERS 100 mesh or coarser CHARCOAL AND LAMPBLACK, (any mesh size)

The following ignition material is restricted to 25 ft per year

SAFETY FUSE, CHINESE OR AMERICAN MADE (25 FT per year)

***STICKY MATCH has NOT been affected. You may purchase it without an ATFE. It must be shipped by UPS (UPS hazmat charges apply)

All of our paper tubes 10” long or shorter require an ATFE to purchase, this also includes the smoke canisters in the Smoke kits. We now supply longer cans in our smoke kits that you simply cut to length, therefore, NO ATFE IS REQUIRED TO ORDER OUR SMOKE KITS. Any tubes longer than 10” DO NOT require an ATFE.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Sparx88

[Carbon796]

Yes its true, from FireFox

 

"Gary and I would like to thank all of you for your support and backing. We are still in business but reeling from the decision of the Federal Court and ask for your patience with us while we pick ourselves up and get put back together. We are including a couple of support links to some websites that have very good information for you, as well as the link to the Fireworks Foundation. Please contribute. To our friends in the high power rocketry industry, we can still supply Ammonium Perchlorate with no ATFE (ATFE is only required for full drums). Those sending a current, signed ATFE may continue to purchase any of the fuels, oxidizers and materials that the court has restricted. Our prices are still the best available. We are counting on those in the hobby and professional fields who do not yet have ATFE's to obtain them. You will need one eventually. Designated responsible persons holding their club license may order any of these materials as well. Bulk, large orders are shipped by stanydard Motor Freight. Email, fax or call for details (contact information at the bottom of the page)."

 

 

http://www.firefox-fx.com/CPSC.htm

[Sparx88]

So then is this for every distro? I assume our only choice is to order from different vendors until we have what we need then huh. It's not like I needed large amounts of this stuff it just pisses me off that I'm being regulated once again. I wasn't invited and did'nt get to vote so I don't agree with it. And thats right diddy.

 

Well, I guess it's license application time. Type 50 and 54 I suppose.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Sparx88

[Maserface]

Old news

[dynomike1]

Sounds like a money gimmick.

[LambentPyro]

Its only restrictions for Firefox, not for all. They got in trouble some how and th ATF put limits on what they sell to keep them in business. That's why some pyro stores do and don't have restrictions.

[Bobosan]

IIRC, it resulted from complaints to the Consumer Protection Agency.

[FlaMtnBkr]

It only applies to Firefox and it happened a few years ago. Chemicals aren't going anywhere, at least for now. A search will yield a lot of info on what happened with the case. Many people thought It was going to be the end of pyro and for a while It didn't look good. But in the end It only applies to firefox. Others are now cautious for a good reason but after you establish yourself you can get most anything. It is probably easier to get chems now than then. And it wasnt the ATF (actually BATFE) it was the CPSC that took them to court. In the end I think it was shown they had sold basically M80 kits and got themselves in trouble. Which is why no one will sell oxidizer, aluminum, and tubes in the same order.

 

Edit: after reading this it came across as harsh. Need to not post when I'm in pain...

Edited January 20, 2014 by FlaMtnBkr

[ddewees]

They're good people though, and I try to get as much stuff from them as I can.

 

Funny (not really) thing is, you're only allowed to get one pound (total) of any of those items on the restricted list. So without an FEL, you can't even make BP (both KNO3 & sulfur are on the list).

[Maserface]

Gotta know someone with an FEL ddwees next time you go up give me a call, I can ride up with ya

[Sparx88]

Sorry for overeacting. I should have pm'd someone first. Good to know it was a mistake on my part and not across the board.....(wipes sweat off brow)..that was almost a nightmare