schroedinger Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Thank you mumbles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainDamage Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Thanks guys lots of info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpknd Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Do you simply mix the BP or mill it first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumbles Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 You really have to mill it to get a reliable product. The string can leave some residue on it's own. You don't want to add to it with a slaggy burning mixture. You might be able to get away with it for multi-strand quickmatch, but you want something that burns cleanly and vigorously for crossmatching, priming, work with spolettes, and fusing applications. I mentioned this in another thread, so I figured I'd post the actual details here since it's actually on topic. It has to do with different binders for blackmatch. These are two quotes I saved from posts of Bill Kimbrough's on Passfire several years ago. 10-15 years ago I did a series of tests, not really totally scientific, butpractical for my purposes to see which binder made the best blackmatch.I made up several different batches, and tried to be consistent inthe application on the string.DextrinBoiled laundry starchHydroxyethylcelluloseStarpohlGum arabicmaybe others, I can't remember now.Then the tests. I was trying to find out which had the lowestmoisture reabsorbtion after dried, and the best burn rate.To get the moisture test I laid a foot long piece of the matchon a table on the porch of my lab with 6" hanging off the edgefor 12 hours including he humidity of the night.I called this the limp d--k test. The least sagging were theboiled laundry starch, and the Gum arabic. Pretty much a tie,maybe the starch a little better.The worst was the Dextrin, really limp, pretty much the sameas the Starpohl.To test the burn rate I put the butt end of 1' long pieces togetherinto the center of a piece of cardboard, and just lit the center.Whoever gets to the edge first wins.Pretty much a tie again with Gum arabic and boiled laundrystarch the winners. Starpohl dead last. Hec a little betterthan Dextrin.The boiled laundry starch was Jack Fielders favorite, andstill worth doing, but the gum arabic is much easier.Now that you guys are introducing multiple binding agents,I guess it is time to do a whole new series of tests.Maybe scientific this time. Several years ago I wondered about this problem myself, so I did a pair of tests.The binders I tried were;HEC Hydroxy ethyl celluloseDextrinLaundry starch (hot)Gum ArabicStarpohlI did not try any mixtures.Once a batch of each type of match was made and dried I tried the absorbtion test, and the burn rate test.I cut a foot of each match, hung 9" off of a table here in the Texas heat and humidity, and then measuredwhich had the most and least sag in a 12 hour period. I called this the limp d--k test.Laundry starch and gum arabic tied.Then for the next test, I took a foot of each match and arranged them radially from a center, and watchedwhich reached the edge of the circle first. Gum arabic was first, but not by much. The laundry starch wasa very close second.All of the rest preformed poorly in both the limp test, really a measure of moisture reabsorbtion, and theburn rate test.Since the boiled laundry starch is more trouble, I normally use gum arabic for all of the match I make.Houston humidity is just a killer.wak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WonderBoy Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 IMHO, you can use screen mixed BP for quickmatch, but as Mum alluded to, you'll want to use atleast 2 strands per pipe.I agree on the need for milled BP or harvested match for fusing applications, you want the fire to flash right to your spolette/fuse. WB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyco_1322 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Mumbles, does it list what percent binder was used in the tests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumbles Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Nope, that's all the info given. I'd assume "normal" amounts. A slurry made from boiled starch or 4% GA solution for those two. About 5% of the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessalco Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I've come to like 4% dextrin + 1% CMC for blackmatch. The BP stays well suspended in the slurry, and the finished blackmatch sheds no BP at all. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abby Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME PEOPLE but i am really new to this....i come from trinidad in the caribbean and i havent met a single amateur pyro tech here...nor do i know if we have any professionals....and i am new to this and green at it too..............now from what i have read the black match is really gun powder on string....the slurry is made from mixing milled powder with isopropyl alcohl......but how useful is black match to the overall creation of a fire work shell (my mission in pyrotechnics and i have now started.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumbles Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 That's basically correct, except for the isopropyl alcohol part. Water is almost always used as the solvent to activate whatever binder you choose. You can see several choices for binders in my post above. There is another kind of blackmatch available commercially that appears to use a non-aqueous binder, but most people don't really have a good idea of the formula or process used to make that. To me, blackmatch plays a very important, but seemingly small role in construction of aerial shells. It is used as a way to transfer fire from the fuse you light down to the lift charge. It is also used to prime and ensure the delay takes fire from the lift, as well as efficiently gives fire to the inside of the shell to initiate the burst. It can also be used to provide a delay between lighting the shell, and it lifting if you don't have things like electric matches or visco fuse available to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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