TheSidewinder Posted March 4, 2008 Posted March 4, 2008 Personally, I blame crappy parenting. And THAT, my friends, is the problem in so many cases: Parents FAILING to teach their children the meaning (and consequences for disobeying) the word, "NO!". I won't get into the why's of it. Too political and not relevant to this.
Gunzway Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 Hopefully I never get police over to my house. But I have gotten close.About 3 years ago. *Back in the kewlish days* I went outside on the street (10pmish) and my mate down the road came. I brought some smoke mixture and we were going to light it on the sidewalk. We had a bowl there too.Suddenly a car comes down the street and incidentally he lives across the street from where we are lighting it. My friend quickly covers the mixture with a bowl. (Not this is uncooked it is just potassium nitrate with sugar grinded up in a mortar and pestle). It kind of looks like cocaine. That's what I was scared of, he would think it's drugs. It's like he would know that it was potassium nitrate and sugar. I remember the conversation pretty accurately cause man it gave me a scare. *Car comes down street**I jump behind a fence close by*Man: What are you doing*Friend just stands there*(I thought he saw me so I come out)Man: What are you guys doing?**We stand there*Man: Why did you guys hide?*Man looks at the bowl covering the mixture*Man: Where do you live?*Friend shrugs shoulder* <-- I laughed at this. It's like we are saying where we live.Man: You guys better fuck off from this street*We start slowly walking up the street*Man drives car into Driveway 10 Minutes later I go back with my friend to get my smoke mixture then go back into my house. My friend brings a tube puts all the powder into the tubing we made before. Runs up to that guys house knocks on the door and lights the smoke mixture. We just run. We just get the fuck out of there. All I see is the guy walking out swearing and panicking.After about 10 mins of running we go back into the street. There's a police car there and the guy is talking to the police officer. Man I was scared. I just went back to my friends house about 10 doors down from where we did it. I live about 3 or 4 doors down from were we did it. I just slept there. I didn't want to risk going back into the house that I may be spotted. Since then I do most of my fireworks on a walking track near a river or I go down to the beach for loud stuff.Never EVER light shit on a street. My street aint that busy but it's just the chance. Do small stuff in your backyard/frontyard or if you want to risk it go down to a park, beach, vacant land. Doing it on your OWN street is pretty stupid. Anyway that's my story.
FrankRizzo Posted April 18, 2008 Posted April 18, 2008 Question for ya Gunz: How did you find this forum?
Gunzway Posted April 18, 2008 Posted April 18, 2008 Well, I remember seeing a link somewhat on a pyrotechnic website. I have came past so many links to forums where the people there would be total idiots. When I saw this forum I was amazed about the quality of posts and generally the amount of information. I read alot of the forums being a guest and I decided to register an account. I found the people here really useful and answered my questions about Ball Mills and if there is a major shop which sells KNO3 in Australia. I have been doing pyrotechnics as a passion for a few years now. This would be learning what each chemical does in a composition, the effects etc. I may not contribute much about pyrotechnics I do not like being wrong . But I assure you I am not some beginner. Don't get the wrong impression of me. As I said "I go back with my friend to get my smoke mixture then go back into my house. My friend brings a tube puts all the powder into the tubing we made before. He Runs up to that guys house knocks on the door and lights the smoke mixture." My friend actually did that. Yes he's still my friend I am not going to grudge him for lighting a smoke mixture at someones house. Just remember this was the days when we had not much clue on what we were doing. When we were KIDS. This would be the only time I have participated (I made the smoke mixture) in a "prank". It was not my idea. My friend went back to his house somewhat sneaked a tube and when we got there picked up most of the composition and knocked on the door and lit it. I panicked thus I ran with him. I am supererogative by even typing this up. I just don't want people to think I am some kewl and I am somewhat vandalizing houses. And that would be the only time ever that I have trespassed someones property and did something like that.That would be one of the only times ever when someone has called the police on me. Other than one time I was drunk on the street. But who the hell has not done that! Especially if you live in Australia.
JCrewPyros Posted April 18, 2008 Posted April 18, 2008 Kids are meant to be Kids... I had my fair share of pyro kewlness... All part of growing up with nothing better to do in a small town... Once you grow up you see the errors of your ways... But still... They give me a good laugh with my friends till this day...
hst45 Posted April 19, 2008 Posted April 19, 2008 He Runs up to that guys house knocks on the door and lights the smoke mixture." My friend actually did that.My old man used say,"take a look at your friends....you're looking at yourself." Glad you've moved on. It's not that I haven't done a few things that if I had them to do over I wouldn't do differently, but NO pyro device should EVER be uses as a weapon/threat/annoyance.
justanotherpyro Posted April 19, 2008 Posted April 19, 2008 He Runs up to that guys house knocks on the door and lights the smoke mixture." My friend actually did that.My old man used say,"take a look at your friends....you're looking at yourself." Glad you've moved on. It's not that I haven't done a few things that if I had them to do over I wouldn't do differently, but NO pyro device should EVER be uses as a weapon/threat/annoyance. Purposefully at least. The neighbors of the person who lets me use his property for big stuff have definitely had an eyebrow raise after I launched something big. As has been said here, its important to communicate as best as you can and to try to not be "That guy".
Gunzway Posted April 20, 2008 Posted April 20, 2008 Even though in Victoria any firework exception from "sparklers" I wouldn't call those fireworks is illegal. Yet I know dozens of places such as fruit stores etc which sell fireworks.I do not trust the manufacturing though. Plus you probably would get caught. So I just rather make my own. Around this area a lot of people set of fireworks. Because of the river. A lot of people can see them. Most of the stuff lands in the river. Etc.I remember someone set off this weird box thing which I have never see before. It was like a green fountain with all these red sparks and noises etc. But it was not a fountain. I was like wide box of flames or something.It was pretty difficult to see. Anyone have an idea what this was?
Apollofrost Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 Was it a flame projector? I read about those on skylighter, maybe they added a little something to the mix.
Gunzway Posted April 26, 2008 Posted April 26, 2008 It could be, it was just a big box with awesome flames. On another note-I have only seen the police once over here looking for people setting fireworks on NYE's. It didn't stop them. But yeah that was like 2005 and I didn't make much back then so I was alright.The worst part is that New Years is so damn hot over in Australia. Like 40 degrees + and a fire ban is on. That's probably the major problem. Cause when you get a fire ban on the police become really shitty. Other than that they probably don't care about fireworks as long as they are good
0nE.sh0t.kIll Posted April 27, 2008 Posted April 27, 2008 Cops have never been to my house, hopefully they never have to come. But I remember when ST1 was telling me how karma was going to come back and get me for egging, and it did. I didn't want to believe him, but I did, but I didn't stop either. We finally got caught, and unfortunately, booked. Looks like ST1 gets to say "I told you so."
ST1DinOH Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Cops have never been to my house, hopefully they never have to come. But I remember when ST1 was telling me how karma was going to come back and get me for egging, and it did. I didn't want to believe him, but I did, but I didn't stop either. We finally got caught, and unfortunately, booked. Looks like ST1 gets to say "I told you so." brother man...it's not about "i told ya so's" it was just trying to help you not get wrapped up in what you are in right now. once you are in the system...they have your number. you get a speeding ticket...the first thing the judge sees is that you were a young punk going around egging cars 20 years ago. sounds stupid but it plays a big part in how you are treated in the judicial system later in life. pointless vandalism doesn't look good on a record. do whatever you can to avoid having thaton there. good luck, and just keep your nose clean bro...no need to add to the problems you no have.
0nE.sh0t.kIll Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 I know, I can't do lots of things now, nothing to draw attention to myself. I can't find it, but I've heard juvenile records get deleted when you become an adult (17 or 18?) and that's less than a month away for me. So hopefully the court doesn't give me too harsh a penalty and it gets deleted and I can forget all about this. We shall see. This sucks.
Tweetybird88 Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Unfortunatley, records don't get just deleted. The only thing that's possible is records being sealed in all matters settled in family court. I just turned sixteen and I don't know, vandelism has never had any appeal to me. I can say that I have never been part of petty vandelism or something like shoplifting, but I guess I'm just a good kid.
TheSidewinder Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 I'm not a lawyer, but access to Juvenile records is regulated by the State, at least here in Minnesota. I do know that getting them introduced into "adult court" is quite rare. They aren't unsealed on the mere whim of one Judge.
ST1DinOH Posted May 3, 2008 Posted May 3, 2008 I'm not a lawyer, but access to Juvenile records is regulated by the State, at least here in Minnesota. I do know that getting them introduced into "adult court" is quite rare. They aren't unsealed on the mere whim of one Judge. this is whats supposed to happen...but trust me, all that stuff shows up in your lil folder the judge sees. the only way to get rid of something when you are a kid is to have it esponged (sp?) from your record. having something sealed just means it's not a matter of public record...most cases pertaining to juviniles are that way. but even with sealed records...most judges see that as soon as the baliff hands them your docket. trust me...i know this the hard way. getting something espounged (sp?) is very difficult to do. i once saw a woman bring her whole family in, along with her boss and pastor and a whole parade of people to get something removed from her record...the judge told them all to fuck right off. you'd have to have a real good attorney who just so happens to be the judges golfing buddy to get something removed. once it's on there you're basicly screwed. one or two things as a kid will be chalked up to "boys being boys" but the thicker/heavier your folder is the less sympathy the judge will have for you. as i said it all accumulates. now imagine you go in front of a judge 10 years later and he sees you were once a kid throwing eggs at cars...suddenly he flashes back to that time some asshole egged his precious cadilac. guess who's getting the book tossed at him.
TheSidewinder Posted May 3, 2008 Posted May 3, 2008 Sounds like someone pissed in your Corn Flakes somewhere in the past. The word you're thinking of is expunged. And yes, it can be very difficult. But as I said, laws vary widely. Here in MN anyway, the judge might see your record but the jury doesn't hear a peep about it, or council for the Defense becomes apoplectic and starts foaming at the mouth. (This is the singular case where Liberal lawyers and their ACLU allies are useful. )
ST1DinOH Posted May 4, 2008 Posted May 4, 2008 Sounds like someone pissed in your Corn Flakes somewhere in the past. The word you're thinking of is expunged. And yes, it can be very difficult. But as I said, laws vary widely. Here in MN anyway, the judge might see your record but the jury doesn't hear a peep about it, or council for the Defense becomes apoplectic and starts foaming at the mouth. (This is the singular case where Liberal lawyers and their ACLU allies are useful. ) very true about jurys... but hopefully nobody here ever has to face one. it's bad enough facing a judge, but jury trials can be agonising. either way that prick judge is the guy whio sentences you...so you just better not be the kid who could have possibly egged his new caddy 10 years ago
Frozentech Posted May 4, 2008 Posted May 4, 2008 Disposition of juvenile records must vary by state. I do know for a fact that Washington State seals and archives them. I rather accidentally came across the original copy of a military security clearance investigation that was done on me, stamped "CONFIDENTIAL - NOT TO BE VIEWED BY SUBJECT MEMBER"... of course, I couldn't resist, and read it. Along with interviews with teachers, neighbors, and employers by the FBI and Defense Investigative Agency, there was a form from the Seattle office of the FBI stating they were unable to access juvenile records in WA State.
0nE.sh0t.kIll Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 Well, my friend, who happened to be the driver and a legal adult, went to court today and he got a $150 fine. That's what I've got to look forward to. He also said however, that he saw other kids from my school there, for underage drinking at a party, and they got the same as he did. Now I think that's not right. What we did is minor compared to what they did.
tentacles Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 one shot: Maybe - but think about it this way: in much of the rest of the world it's perfectly legal and acceptable for people 16+ to drink beer. Maybe the judge is considering the underage drinking to be a fairly normal teenage behaviour, wheras vandalism can turn dangerous and is a very bad precedent.
WarezWally Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 HAH $150 for drinking at a party underage, nearly every adult in the country would be guilty of that at some point in their lives here. Here the police cannot do anything if you are on private property (regardless of age I think) and if you are intoxicated on public property half the time they will offer you a lift home. Shows how insane the laws are in the US
FrankRizzo Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 That's how it used to be here just 10-12 years ago. Parties would be broken up, kids would be sent on their way or given rides, and the parents were informed of their children's activities. If the same kid was seen over and over again, only then would law enforcement step in because the parents obviously weren't. Now the safety fakers have to justify their government funding by putting as many people through the system (wallet wringer) as possible. It's truly become an epidemic in the US. Private companies now own a decent portion of the prisons around the country, and they even hire congressional lobbyists to make sure they stay full. The "war on drugs" is also very big and a source for many hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars for every little city that wants to start a "narcotics task force". Back on topic though, property damage is much worse than even underage drinking in my opinion. I don't care what you and your friends do in your parents garage or your buddy's apartment or whatever, so long as it doesn't impact anyone else. As soon as you start blaring your stereo late on Sunday night, drunk driving, getting into fights, etc. then it becomes a problem because you're affecting people other than yourselves. Grow up and quit being an asshole.
TheSidewinder Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 *****SNIP*****Shows how insane the laws are in the US Agreed, Wally. I visited your country last year (encompassing Australia Day) and after ten days was struck by how much YOUR country, it's people, and it's "attitude", reminded me of MY country, about 30-40 years ago. Australia's "We can do it, mate!" attitude is almost identical to what was the prevailing social norm in the US back then. However, we've allowed the Do-Gooders and Nannies to sell our country right out from under us. But it also appeared that your country is headed down the same primrose path to Hell that we've taken, something which I pray you all have the good sense to stop before it's too late. I still love my country (warts and all, though less so than I did when younger) but, in my opinion, we could take to heart quite a number of lessons from Oz...... TS
ST1DinOH Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 HAH $150 for drinking at a party underage, nearly every adult in the country would be guilty of that at some point in their lives here. Here the police cannot do anything if you are on private property (regardless of age I think) and if you are intoxicated on public property half the time they will offer you a lift home. Shows how insane the laws are in the US you think thats bad??? listen to this horseshit. i was 20 yrs old, after a long day at work (10 hr shift) i went over to a friends house after with a bunch of co-workers to watch south park... i had 4 beers i get in my car and start the LONG drive home. now i gotta piss real bad, legs shakin, got that anxious feelin goin on. but i'm close to home so iu pinch it off and keep driving. i'm about 1/2 mile from my home, already through the little speed trap town i need to pass, so i just put my foot in it a little and bring the mighty cutlass supreame up to about 60 in attemps to not piss myself. sure enough...here comes a cop. he flips a "U" turn and pulls me over within pissing distance of my driveway. long story short he gives me a breathalizer and it shows i had been drinking, so i get booked for underage consumtion and sent on my merry way. by the time i went to court i was pleanty old enough to drink a beer. just before my case gets called two 19 yr old kids approach the bench. both were caught drinking at thier home by cops responding to a noise complaint. unfortunatley for them they awnsered the door holding a beer. first offense for both of them 90 days in jail i got off "light" with a 90 day sentance "suspended" over my head for 3 years, had to go to 3 months worth of AA meetings, forced to pay over 3 grand in legal fees, had my license and driving privledges taken away for 1 year, and had to spend a weekend in a drunk driving lock up facility. FOR A BLOOD ALCOHOL LEVEL OF .019 not even over the "drunk" limit for someone under 18. all for drinking a feew beers after work and not even being legaly "drunk"
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