Brakkie Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 BPinthemorning: Don't bother, what's a birthday is what I've always said. It's just a birthday, a day like any other except it's the day you were born many years ago. Does it make that day more special than any other? Just throw a party another day! On a sidenote, I got this crazy paper to hand in where I have to criticize the fact that the dutch government plans to hire another 500 forensic scientist to mainly work on analyzing forensic evidence found at burglary's... Damn this is gonna be a heavy caffeine and nicotin consumption day today.
Richtee Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 On a sidenote, I got this crazy paper to hand in where I have to criticize the fact that the dutch government plans to hire another 500 forensic scientist to mainly work on analyzing forensic evidence found at burglary's... Damn this is gonna be a heavy caffeine and nicotin consumption day today. Guess you could assume the role of a tax-paying successful <so far> burgler? ;{)
Brakkie Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 Yeah exactly, I've been doing quit a bit of research on burglars so far. A lot of people think it's usually guys with gloves, that know what they're doing. The opposite is actually true, it's usually stupid young people that don't really pay attention to detail, they come in quick, grab what they want and leave immedietly. It's the majority of the burglars. DNA and fingerprints won't really help much since they're not registered in the system. I could go out and do whatever I want since my DNA and fingerprints are not in any police records. It's hard to find a match for a fingerprint if there's none in the system Just a bit of a fun statistic, only about 10% of the burglary reports actually get solved. That means that for every 10 burglary's that get reported at the police only 1 will be solved!
Swede Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 I know you're talking about the Netherlands, but I'm thinking in the U.S. we are not many years away from the "You WILL give DNA and fingerprint data to the Gov't for a giant database." They can start now, with infants. At birth, do some fingerprinting and swab some DNA, which gets handed over to the database people. In 25 years, all the likely criminals will be "in the system". In 80 years, 95% of the entire population will be logged. OR... you can play the "Book of the Apocalypse" game; babies get an RFID chip implanted, and there's your mark of the beast. The technology exists NOW for you to wave your hand (RFID chip inside) over a machine to pay for your gas or buy a Big Gulp using credit card info in the chip. Privacy? Gone.
Brakkie Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 I know, it's just gonna be a matter of time before we're all in some sort of system. I know one thing, they're not gonna get mine. My passport will expire in about 2 years so I'll have to go and pick up a new one. By then I'll have to give my fingerprints and a facial-scan. I know one thing for sure, they can stick that passport up their asses. I'm not giving my fingerprint to no one unless I'm a suspect of a crime. I don't see why they NEED my fingerprint! If you need it because I'm a suspect, arrest me and you'll have the law on your side. Right now, it's nothing more than a huge invasion of my personal privacy!
andyboy Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 "You WILL give DNA and fingerprint data to the Gov't for a giant database." They can start now, with infants. At birth, do some fingerprinting and swab some DNA, which gets handed over to the database people. Been there, done that! In Sweden this has been done on every newborn since 1975. The reason is supposed to be for research purpose and detection of some specific deceases, but if both parents DON'T sign a document the sample is saved. So they have your DNA for however long they want to. The police found Anna Lind's killer with the help of the PKU-register and there are several other cases that they have gotten access to the register. Through a temporary change in the law, the register was used to identify the Swedish victims in the 2004 tsunami.
Miech Posted January 20, 2009 Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) This subject might be worth it's own topic . I expect the Dutch government to make a DNA database as well within some decades. Democracy once used to be build on thrust, but it is more and more shifting to a society build on suspicion. Not guilty until the opposite is proven will be gone in the future. the thing that worries me the most is the ignorance of most people when it comes to privacy. They usually argue they got nothing to hide, and if you like privacy you must be a criminal. Besides of that, folks are being scared by the media telling there are very dangerous people on earth called 'terrorists', which can strike anywhere, anytime. Fear and ignorance are exactly the two things the government needs to take away your privacy easily. The fun part of it is that what we're heading to has all been fortold by a guy called George Orwell somewhere in the late 1940'. Edit: to stay on topic, my old CRT monitor sort of died today. If it gets switched off it takes you 30 minutes of poking the button to get it on again. It might be time to get a nice widescreen 24" TFT soon. Edited January 20, 2009 by Miech
Swede Posted January 20, 2009 Posted January 20, 2009 the thing that worries me the most is the ignorance of most people when it comes to privacy. They usually argue they got nothing to hide, and if you like privacy you must be a criminal. There is a lot of truth to this statement... I've heard it from many people. "I've got nothing to hide." Oh really? Granting such power to any government is asking for abuse. The person who has "nothing to hide" may suddenly find himself in an internment camp in the year 2020 because he is of the wrong race, or he has a certain genetic marker, or there is SOMETHING in his DNA that Big Brother doesn't like. How about forced sterilization? It's 2025, and your daughter wants to have a baby, but she is not granted her fertility license because of her DNA... even worse, they come for her in the night and take her away for chemical sterilization, as an "undesirable." These may seem like wild concepts. Probably are. But in 1935, could the world have conceived of what was about to happen to the Jews in Europe? It would have been unimaginable. Privacy is incredibly precious, and the older you get, the more it is valued. Simple scenario... I'm buying a hammer at Home Depot, and paying with a credit card. Clerk: "Can I have your phone number, please?"Me: "No. You don't need my phone number to legally complete this transaction." She looked at me like I was an alien, as did everyone else in line. We are being programmed to cough up personal info all the time and we don't even realize it.
Brakkie Posted January 20, 2009 Posted January 20, 2009 I've had it a few times too with buying chemicals. I went to buy some nitromethane about 1,5 years ago and I wanted to stock up since it's a pretty far drive to get some. So the guy asked me what I was planning to do with it, so I explained him it's for my RC car and I like to mix my own fuel since I'm not satisfied by the performance of regular fuel and the guy asked me for my adress. So I refused and he started a discussion. I basically just gave him the money I owed him and walked away. He doesn't need my adress for buying nitromethane... "I got nothing to hide"... The most naive comment someone can make!
mormanman Posted January 20, 2009 Posted January 20, 2009 It sounds a little bit like that movie Precog. I think thats what it is. With Tom Cruise. Its a good movie. Really check it out.
Richtee Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 We are being programmed to cough up personal info all the time and we don't even realize it. Name,Rank, and "serial number"?
TheSidewinder Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 "Your papers, please"..... Although I'm pessimistic about it becoming a reality, we may actually stand a better chance of getting some of our liberties back under Obama. Bush and his Patriot Act was one of the most odious tramplings of our civil rights in ages.
WarezWally Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 (edited) Auto parts stores require a bit more than I'm comfortable with. This is for "warranty" purposes. I swear the slim-jim set and spare ignition are for my own car Edited January 21, 2009 by WarezWally
rev.redneck Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 . Bush and his Patriot Act was one of the most odious tramplings of our civil rights in ages. No shit, I remember watching this ( ) on msnbc news, I like this guy.
Boomer Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 I think the Swedish system is not that bad, *IF* the data is not extracted and stored by the government, but only the samples are frozen and kept at a hospital. The latter must be private or at least not state-owned, so they cannot be pressed to give information to 3-letter agencies. BTW the bastard cops took all my finger prints when I was found nearly unconscious next to a railway, with no idea how I got there and with no documents (bad reaction to a *single* sleeping pill, don't ask). The good news is they can only ever use 70% of the information they illegally obtained. The first 3 prints they took, they can print them out on paper, roll them up and and shove 'em where the sun don't shine!
Brakkie Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 @Boomer: What was the reason that they took your fingerprints? I would check up the law if I was you because it doesn't sound legal to me that's for sure. And what's that with the 70% of the information they illigally obtain? So they can pretty much raid your house, find a meth-lab or a growroom for weed and say ah well... We don't need all 100 plants, 70% of the plants is enough? It's bullshit, illigally obtained evidence is illigally obtained and therefor not legal to use in a courtroom... Or is your legal system really that messed up?
Richtee Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 @Boomer: What was the reason that they took your fingerprints?Probably covered under a "good samaritan" clause... an unconsious person in public needs assistance...from...WHOM? Now..you MAY be able to petition to have them removed...
Brakkie Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Ofcourse I understand that they need assistence but I don't see the relation between fingerprints and being found unconcious at a railway track...? Ok things would be different if you were to be covered in blood ofcourse but how about calling in ambulance?
Richtee Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Ofcourse I understand that they need assistence but I don't see the relation between fingerprints and being found unconcious at a railway track...? Ok things would be different if you were to be covered in blood ofcourse but how about calling in ambulance?I meant for family notification, assuming you had no ID on you...
Gunzway Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 And what's that with the 70% of the information they illigally obtain? So they can pretty much raid your house, find a meth-lab or a growroom for weed and say ah well... We don't need all 100 plants, 70% of the plants is enough? It's bullshit, illigally obtained evidence is illigally obtained and therefor not legal to use in a courtroom... Or is your legal system really that messed up? Think harder...
Boomer Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 That was my infamous black humor, making fun of myself again. And I said information, not evidence, meaning the prints themselves. They can shove three of them up their butt because I'm never going to leave those prints again anywhere this side of paradise (*). Got it? About the black humor, when I called my (overweight) boss from hospital to say I would not come in for a month, I started with: "Happy New Year. I must tell you I found a new diet, you can loose 20 pounds in ten milliseconds. I've already tried it for you, I lost 20 grams in 10 microseconds.Unfortunately most of that weight was 4 bones and 3 joints." And to my GF: "Darling, could you give me a blow job, I can't get off with the left hand?" (*) Speaking of paradise, I wonder if you go like you are, or if missing parts grow back on the other side.I can imagine a raghead suicide bomber entering, and being told "We were able to reconstruct all your vital organs, and heal all your wounds. So now here are your 72 virgins.Oh before I forget, there is a little problem: Your dick is still missing."
Miech Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 (*) Speaking of paradise, I wonder if you go like you are, or if missing parts grow back on the other side.I can imagine a raghead suicide bomber entering, and being told "We were able to reconstruct all your vital organs, and heal all your wounds. So now here are your 72 virgins.Oh before I forget, there is a little problem: Your dick is still missing." It is actually quite funny they are so sure about getting 72 virgins. The word used in those texts also means grapevine, and is nowhere in the book used to describe a virgin. (I've never seen virgins grow in a grapeyard sofar) Also, I always wonder why those 72 are still virgin, they must be very ugly at least . I'm not trying to rant off muslims, I just think they need to start thinking rationally (and get some education maybe?).
FrankRizzo Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Besides being disease-free, who the hell would *want* 72 virgins anyway?! Seems like a lot of work.
tentacles Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 And just wait til they start fighting! You'll go through more jell-o...
Miech Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Not to mention their periods. Besides you get a bloody mess, only one grumpy woman every now and then is bad enough. Imagine 72, that's ten a day on average .
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