Occasional depression thread

[Mumbles]

There are worse things that could happen PM. Yeah, it may seem shitty for the time being, and that you have no friends, and all that but you have to realize that it isn't true. You will still have friends, and will probably be amazed at how fast you make new ones. I've been put in similar situations. The best plan of action is really to deny anything, and say you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, which sounds to be pretty true. If a cop is a big enough dick to try to give you something, it will be dropped in court. You really don't need to play lawyer fees. If you go in, and talk with the judge, explain what happened, it will likely be taken care of. It is of course best to not have it ever happen. I somewhat trust the justice department more than the law enforcement department.

 

I second what Swede and Richtee say. If only they actually listened, I'd have girls lining up.

[PyroMedia]

Well, its not as bad is i thought. most people that were not involved don't care anymore, and hockey season started so i have my hockey team, new high school so, its not too bad now.

[flying fish]

Amen Swede...Amen. Mine are 23 and 17.

Lol Rich,

 

I can see how it might be awkward for you to hang out with someone who is as young as your kids. I'll have to invite you to a neighborhood bonfire sometime so you feel safe around your own kind (dinosaurs ). I apologize for the dinosaur jokes...you can only imagine what it must be like for my parents.

 

Well, I have to get back to homework...oh, and I got a 63 raw score on that BVP test that I was bitching about a few days ago, which curves up to a 76...would have been a high 80's raw score/ low 90's curved if I hadn't misread that one problem and totally messed it up. But whatever...It was still (slightly) higher than the average score in the class - which at least makes me feel not totally like an idiot!

[Mumbles]

Yeah, hitting on the pyro friend's daughter may not be in the best of taste. The only reprieve is that it is rare for pyrodaughters(or granddaughters) of my age to come to any of the shoots. Although a situation such as this would be one of the few instances where I wouldn't be terrified to meet the Dad.

[tentacles]

There are worse things that could happen PM. Yeah, it may seem shitty for the time being, and that you have no friends, and all that but you have to realize that it isn't true. You will still have friends, and will probably be amazed at how fast you make new ones. I've been put in similar situations. The best plan of action is really to deny anything, and say you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, which sounds to be pretty true. If a cop is a big enough dick to try to give you something, it will be dropped in court. You really don't need to play lawyer fees. If you go in, and talk with the judge, explain what happened, it will likely be taken care of. It is of course best to not have it ever happen. I somewhat trust the justice department more than the law enforcement department.

 

I second what Swede and Richtee say. If only they actually listened, I'd have girls lining up.

 

Yeah, the judges aren't paid/promoted based on the number of convictions and such, so they can be all right sorts.

[marks265]

First it was so cold and wet for so long and now it is so dry I don't even wanna fart unless I'm in the house! I've been working around the house doing landscaping stuff and the AC has been off for a week. Tomorrow I get the new AC ( and furnace) and hope the temp on my aquarium drops PDQ! Or should I say PFQ! I only fished 3 times this year and still wonder where the hell the summer went.

[Swede]

You young pups! Every teenage generation thinks their parents are idiots, they can't remember what it was like. I'll flat-out state right now I remember most of my school years like it was yesterday. Situations/problem don't change as much as morph in appearance, but the basics behind the problems teens have remain pretty constant. I had cliques, gangs, bullies, dope, hot girls, shy girls, etc etc. We really do understand. Most of the hassle you'll get from parents is because they DON'T want you to do what THEY did, because the pain can be very bad.

 

Parents want to keep their kids from pain, that drives 98% of parental instinct.

 

I'll drop a hint - if your parents don't want you doing something like Pyro, it's because they probably don't understand it. If they can be educated discreetly, that can go a long way. And the biggest thing of all, DON'T LIE. Have the balls to tell the truth in all things, and the punishment, if there is any, will always be lighter. I don't know why that is so hard to understand.

[flamingape]

taday is the worst day.

 

i am sorry

 

 

please never have thoughts of me cross your mind i love you unconditiolnnnllly

 

i never meant to hurt you

 

why did you lie?

 

this is the best and worst thing you have sent me alex i love you

 

these words you sent give me the way to happyness i will abide by them

 

 

 

I have to block out thoughts of you so I don't lose my head

They crawl in like a cockroach leaving babies in my bed

Dropping little reels of tape to remind me that I'm alone

Playing movies in my head that make a porno feel like home

There's a burning in my pride, a nervous bleeding in my brain

An ounce of peace is all I want for you. will you never call again?

And will you never say that you love me just to put it in my face?

And will you never try to reach me? it is I that wanted space

 

Hate me today

Hate me tomorrow

Hate me so you can finally see what's good for you

 

I'm sober now for 3 whole months it's one accomplishment that you helped me with

The one thing that always tore us apart is the one thing I won't touch again

In my sick way I want to thank you for holding my head up late at night

While I was busy waging wars on myself, you were trying to stop the fight

You never doubted my warped opinions on things like suicidal hate

You made me compliment myself when it was way too hard to take

So I'll drive so f***ing far away that I never cross your mind

And do whatever it takes in your heart to leave me behind

 

Hate me today

Hate me tomorrow

Hate me for all the things I didn't do for you

 

Hate me in ways

Yeah ways hard to swallow

Hate me so you can finally see what's good for you

 

And with a sad heart I say bye to you and wave

Kicking shadows on the street for every mistake that I had made

And like a baby boy I never was a man

Until I saw your blue eyes cry and I held your face in my hand

And then I fell down yelling "Make it go away!"

Just make a smile come back and shine just like it used to be

And then she whispered "How can you do this to me?"

 

Hate me today

Hate me tomorrow

Hate me for all the things I didn't do for you

 

Hate me in ways

Yeah ways hard to swallow

Hate me so you can finally see what's good for you

[flamingape]

two days ago i accidently drank rhodamine blu insteas of prussian blue

 

i had drank a half bottle of rum

 

i dont wont her tu hurt

 

but she hurts from my actions

 

i am a bad man

[Richtee]

i am a bad man

 

You DO realize that change is possible? And that assuming your age range... sometimes hormones and just plain growing up causes these feelings? Please don't do anything rash. Give it a chance, man.

[oskarchem]

Somthing tells me that you'r seriously depressed, or that you are seriously drunk...

 

Ant explenations?

[Mumbles]

Maybe he just likes poetry.

[flamingape]

i ...cannot bring myself to speak of what happened

 

i am sober now

 

even so i canoot stand pain it goes against everything i ever stood for what i did and she will never speak to me i destroyed everything forever her mother tried to help me and she too hurts she said i am good for her but she is too hurt to ever be close to me again

[flamingape]

i am giving it few days to see if she see rational it was both our fault but i could not stand my actiond and got drunk and acted rash and hurt things further

 

 

this bag of dye is always going to be in my pocket if i hurt her to the point of her altering her emotions and life and ricking her careeer from such i could not forgive self

 

so much i want to say to her we both fucked up

 

but if she had not leid to me i would not have done bad thing

[yellowcard]

I can't tell what you should do because i can't identify your situation from some black lights on a white computerscreen. What i can tell you is that you're seriously fucked and need to get help when you're throwing all your emotions on some pyro forum on the internet.

[Bonny]

i am giving it few days to see if she see rational it was both our fault but i could not stand my actiond and got drunk and acted rash and hurt things further

 

 

this bag of dye is always going to be in my pocket if i hurt her to the point of her altering her emotions and life and ricking her careeer from such i could not forgive self

 

so much i want to say to her we both fucked up

 

but if she had not leid to me i would not have done bad thing

 

 

You know it really sucks that she lied to you and whatever else happened. Maybe you learned something after getting drunk and acting rash...Anyway, you may likely need to move on, and time will heal you, be strong. There are plenty of fish in the sea as they say...

Look at it this way, things can ony get better.

[Richtee]

goddamm taxes are due. $3200 for fucking what? and the 1.5K house payment. And the 1K for the van front end. And..ohh fuck it. I get like this. But on the bright side- Kwame's going to jail. Fucker. Thanks for yer contribution to Michigan's economy.

[flying fish]

You know it really sucks that she lied to you and whatever else happened. Maybe you learned something after getting drunk and acting rash...

That's what I always say when something shitty happens that was partially or fully my fault (not saying anything was your fault because obviously I don't know your situation) - that it was still a good learning experience. Like a simple example would be if (hypothetically, mkay?) I almost ran over some poor biker and felt like I must be a shitty driver, but then re-assured myself with "hey, it was a good learning experience, now I'm better than I was before!" Education isn't free...it either costs pain, money, embarrassment, or some combination of the above. I don't mean to trivialize the situation (whatever it actually is) but I suggests looking at it another way. Also, find someone "real" to talk to other than us forumers.

 

Kwame's going to jail. Fucker. Thanks for yer contribution to Michigan's economy.

 

Thanks for the news that made my day! Now we just have to work on getting the rest of the city council in their with him...

[Swany]

So, this whole summer I worked more than full time in a research lab working on an inorganic/coordination chemistry project. X-ray crystallography measurements would be great for my work, because I am directly comparing the ligands I am using to known ligands. The known stuff crystallizes on accident practically. I couldn't get my stuff to crystallize, I'd tried practically everything. Any crystals I got were very nice looking tiny rhombus thingys with practically no depth, so that doesnt work. Another complex would only crystallize in needles radiating from a central point and needles coming off of the parent needles like fractals. So, finally I managed to get some good crystals right? Well, they *looked* good. Turns out they're twinned, meaning the packing can occur in several chiral conformations essentially. Solving twinned structures used to be impossible, but it's been slightly possible recently. But, didn't work with my stuff. The crystallographer still thinks they have a chance but this is irritating. I need a crystal structure.

 

But, I did manage to land some hydrazine hydrate and aminotetrazole.

[OneEyeCharlie]

Swany thinks things suck for him?!?

 

I got both a hangnail and a papercut. BOTH! In the same day! Quit your bitchin' Mr Periodic Table o' Elements.

 

Edit: I forthwith retract my impugning of Swany's character and moral fiber. Let this be a lesson to the youngsters out there; no good can come from a multiple martini (in this case Perfect Manhattan) lunch with clients. It truly is the road to perdition.

Edited September 9, 2008 by OneEyeCharlie

[Swany]

Swany also ripped too much of his pointer finger nail off and it hurts like hell. Oh, poor Swany. Life is HARD! Nah, not really. Can't complain. There should be an occasional frustrations thread.

 

EDIT: I suppose occasional frustrations is the venting room. Whoops.

 

Well, while I'm here, I'm going to give a shout out to all of those afore-mentioned ruthenium complexes that have probably intercalated my DNA and will give me cancer. Oh, and thanks for staining 2 shirts and a labcoat, hosers!

Edited September 10, 2008 by Swany

[Mumbles]

Lucky you Swany. If the Ru has intercalated into your DNA you actually will never get cancer because your cells will never be able to divide. See, you just cured cancer, but will probably die in a few weeks. Theres always a bright side.

[FREAKYDUTCHMEN]

The fucking police arrested me, a neighbour probably tipped the guys. I never fired anything near my home, a vieuw months ago maybe a vieuw stars nothing more.

They took almost everything, hopefully I get something back, but unfortunately this country (where I am ashamed of) don't allow poeple like me to do their hobby.

Thanks to some muslims and stupid officials I should life like a wallflower or something.

Edited September 10, 2008 by FREAKYDUTCHMEN

[Richtee]

The fucking police arrested me, a neighbour probably tipped the guys. I never fired anything near my home, a vieuw months ago maybe a vieuw stars nothing more.

They took almost everything, hopefully I get something back, but unfortunately this coutry (where I am ashamed of) don't allow poeple like me to do their hobby.

Thanks to some muslims and stupid officials I should life like a wallflower or something.

 

Sommabitch. Well, it COULD happen here too even in the good old U S of A. I'd be a "terr***st" or some such crap. Sorry Dutch- perhaps consult a lawyer/solicitor.

[ITCHI]

This is a repost from a repost from another forum but I hope it can be helpful here to someone.

Also, I know this applies to the USA.

 

 

Legal First-Aide for the Hobbyist

 

K.L. Kosanke, Ph.D.

PyroLabs, Inc.

 

Just a few moments ago I finished writing an another affidavit for another attorney representing yet another fireworks hobbyist. Once again, the facts of this case and its result sadly points out the need for better information among hobbyist experimenters. While I do not have time to give the subject the full attention it deserves, I will take time to outline a few of the most important points. (However, note that I am not a lawyer and these are only my personal opinions.)

 

1) If you are a hobbyist experimenter, you should have in your possession, a copy of the ATF Newsletter (vol. 2, 1990, p.11) documenting the BATF’s position that a federal license is not required in many cases.

 

2) You should know that, just because you may not need a federal license, that does not mean you do not need a state license. However, in several states that is now easier and cheaper to get than you might think.

 

3) It is generally a minor accident or a nervous neighbor that draws the attention of law enforcement officials. Thus, being extremely safe and not conducting yourself in a manner that raises concern with neighbors is essential. (If you do not have the requisite safety knowledge and a proper place to work, you should not be working with pyrotechnics.)

 

4) Do not rely upon the law enforcement officers to know about the legal status of hobbyists, or to be able to properly identify fireworks items as being fireworks (and not as bombs or incendiary devices). When you are only trained to look for bombs, many things look like bombs.

 

5) Many, hobby experimenters are guilty of something: state or local regulations, endangerment of neighbors (or your own minor children), improper storage, improper use of fireworks, etc.. Thus you need to identify and eliminate these potential problems BEFORE pursuing your activities.

 

6) In most instances, when a hobbyist has a legal problem, the prosecution will charge them with just about everything they can think of, even if there is little chance of winning on all of the charges. (I think this is sometimes done to put you in the mood to accept their version of an appropriate plea bar- gain.)

 

7) If you do find yourself needing a lawyer, seek advice on who to hire before actually hiring the criminal defense attorney that will represent you; they are not all equally skilled or well motivated. (This is not easy advice to follow; there seems to be something about sitting in a jail cell that creates a powerful sense of urgency.)

 

8) Do not pay an attorney a fixed price for a package of his services. You will need to establish a trust account to guarantee payment of the attorney, but draws on this account should be made as the individual services are performed. This will help keep the attorney’s interest where it belongs, on your interests and not on wrapping things up as quickly as possible.

 

9) A trial will be very expensive, will put you and your family through hell for several months (preparation and trial), and is a crap-shoot with no guarantees. Do not accept a poor plea bargain, but do not be too idealistic either.

 

10) If you do decide it is in your best interests to plead guilty, try to only plead guilty to those things to which you actually are guilty of, e.g., making fireworks, endangerment, improper storage, etc. (Your attorney should get good advice early in the process. It is likely this will be the first fireworks or explosives case they will have worked on. A mistake or missed opportunity may cost you much and there usually is no second chance.)

 

11) If you plead guilty, try to get deferred sentencing (called various things in different states) as part of the plea bargain. This will mean that all records of your conviction will be sealed (will essentially go away) at the completion of your sentence (often just probation for several years) if you do not have further legal trouble during that time.

 

12) If you do have to serve some time in jail, try get work release as part of the plea bargain. This will allow you to keep your job (in the unlikely event that they do not fire you), and you will only spend evenings and weekends in jail.

 

At the very least, having legal trouble as a result of your hobby experimenting, will be embarrassing and VERY expensive. At most it will cast a serious shadow over the rest of your life. Do not be so foolish as to think these problems will not happen to you, or that because you personally feel that fireworks laws are unjust you have a right to ignore them, or that after you get in trouble there will be some magic cure that will get you off. In recent years I have assisted one or two hobbyists per year; in most cases it has been a truly sad experience. Sad, because, for the most part, these have been good people who end up paying a terrible price for their hobby.

 

PLEASE, TAKE THE STEPS NOW TO CONDUCT YOUR ACTIVITIES LEGALLY AND SAFELY