HoS Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Is the Veline Color star system make a good mix of reasonable strong colors or do you recomend other comps for colors?
Mumbles Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 I think it is a good overall system. If you make the 3 or 4 major colors you can make all the others which is convenient. However, there are better formulas for every color out there. The blue I am not too fond of, but it's hard to get a good metal fueled blue in my opinion. Other than that everything is pretty decent. I think the colors could be tweaked for better performance.
optimus Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 Apart from being a compatible system of primaries which can be mixed to produce an infinite range of hues, the main strongpoint is that all the colours are roughly the same brightness, so when fired together they complement each other well. If you're planning on making a fanned rainbow cake they would be a good choice, but as Mumbles said, individually they're not amazing. While I haven't tried most out them out yet, Joel Baechle's systems contain some very nice star formulas indeed. I would highly recommend you look them up.
HoS Posted January 4, 2007 Author Posted January 4, 2007 One of the main things I liked is that you can use mostly the sames chems and get alot of different effects. But I may just get different comps for each.
ewest Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 I've made Blue, Green, and Red from Veline's system. The Green and Red are nice but the Blue is a little pastel looking but really not too bad. Here's a shell with Veline Blue:Veline Blue Here's one with Veline Green:Veline Green I had a Red one but only three or four stars lit so I didn't post it.
HoS Posted January 4, 2007 Author Posted January 4, 2007 Do you think pure Mg would work inplace of Magnalium? Mg is a bit cheaper to order from Firefox, But If not then MgAl is it
cplmac Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 It would probably work better, but you would have to coat it. ewest I thought that blue looked pretty damn good to be honest. I was curious about the Veline system, great question.
ewest Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 I thought that blue looked pretty damn good to be honest. Yeah, it's not bad, but I have seen better blues, like Euters for example. But I really like Veline's system because like HoS said, you can make just about any color with only 10 different chemicals. And to me that fits right in with my inherent laziness I never had posted this one but it's a Veline Red and Blue mixed, it looked much better in person but the camera didn't capture the colors at all, trust me though, the Red is nice (when they light)Veline Red and Blue Let me see if I can find the red one I had that didn't work......(crappy elevator music playing)........found it, once again the camera doesn't do it justiceVeline Red
fredjr Posted January 4, 2007 Posted January 4, 2007 Since I have a lot of MgAl, I use Veline's color system. When making rolled stars they can be hard to ignite and must be properly primed. The formula’s use parlon, so can be dissolved in acetone making pour able goo that is nice for making color to report inserts or cakes.
firetech Posted April 12, 2009 Posted April 12, 2009 Do you think pure Mg would work inplace of Magnalium?I was considering trying the same thing. Has anyone tried this? From a cost standpoint Mg would be much better to use. Although it would have to be coated. Is coating tough to do though?
Arthur Posted April 12, 2009 Posted April 12, 2009 Veline is a great system. While each colour can possibly be bettered out of system, the serious advantage with veline is its system coherence. If you have powder for each colour you can mix the powders to get mixed coloures. Some of the online references give proportions to mix to get different shades of colour. Also the system uses only a few chems for ease of sourcing. For chemical compatibility the veline system is perfect.
TrueBluePyro Posted April 12, 2009 Posted April 12, 2009 Name: Veline BluePotassium Perchlorate - 55Copper(II) Oxide, black - 15Parlon - 15Red Gum - 9Magnalium, granular, -200 mesh - 6Dextrin - 4Total - 104 Name: Veline GreenPotassium Perchlorate - 55Barium Nitrate - 24Barium Carbonate - 15Parlon - 15Magnalium, granular, -200 mesh - 11Red Gum - 5Dextrin - 4Total - 104 Name: Veline OrangePotassium Perchlorate - 55Calcium Carbonate - 15Parlon - 15Red Gum - 9Magnalium, granular, -200 mesh - 6Dextrin - 4Total - 104 Name: Veline RedPotassium Perchlorate - 55Strontium Carbonate - 15Parlon - 15Red Gum - 9Magnalium, granular, -200 mesh - 6Dextrin - 4Total - 104 Notes:The Veline formulas contain a primary set of Red, Orange, Green and Blue which may be mixed in various proportions to achieve other colors such as: Yellow........55 green + 45 orange Chartreuse....80 green + 20 orange Aqua..........80 green + 20 blue Turquoise.....55 green + 45 blue Magenta.......50 red + 50 blue Maroon........85 red + 15 blue Peach.........60 orange + 25 red + 15 blue Purple........5 orange + 15 red + 80 blue Here are all the the veline formulars in one place
fireworks Posted April 13, 2009 Posted April 13, 2009 I'm looking for a color system that produces bright and distinct colors. Is the veline system right for this?
Mumbles Posted April 13, 2009 Posted April 13, 2009 I've always thought that the Veline system was kind of washed out. I don't think any system of colors will ever give the brightest, most saturated colors. Individual colors have to be tweaked too much for for a one-size-fits-all solution. The stars will be relatively bright, and at least recognizable, so if that works for you, go for it.
PyroMan LTU Posted April 13, 2009 Posted April 13, 2009 I agree with mumbles, in this system there is only one color that works for me very well - blue red is washed out and somewhat pinkish to me, green I dont know, and for orange I think you can get the same effect cheper...
firetech Posted April 13, 2009 Posted April 13, 2009 I haven't tried any colored formulations yet, i heard that AP colors are best but are expensive sometimes. There are hundreds of comps out there for many different colors and Velines utilizes few chems that are low cost. I'm trying to get the best bang for my buck while not sacrificing vibrance...and simplicity. Any specific comps in mind anyone?
Miech Posted April 14, 2009 Posted April 14, 2009 I'm looking for a color system that produces bright and distinct colors. Is the veline system right for this?You might give the KCNKickthecat color system a shot (pun intended). See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j33ZiY50-5c. I believe there is a topic somewhere around here, I just don't know where. Yeah, it's late .
Arthur Posted April 14, 2009 Posted April 14, 2009 The Veline system is a great system, few incompatibilities with any other likely mixture, and the powders mix to mix the colours. However each colour can possibly be made better and also made more cheaply. Better colours and cheaper mixes sometimes involve chlorates and the incompatibilities there put your life, limbs and property on the line -so are they really better mixes.
AdmiralDonSnider Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Has anyone tried to replace the perc in Veline´s comps with chlorate? How dangerous would the combination of MgAl and chlorate render the stars?
Bonny Posted April 22, 2009 Posted April 22, 2009 Has anyone tried to replace the perc in Veline´s comps with chlorate? How dangerous would the combination of MgAl and chlorate render the stars? Not a good idea...see here:http://www.pyrosociety.org.uk/forum/index....amp;hl=chlorate
swervedriver Posted May 9, 2009 Posted May 9, 2009 If you were trying to make a sequence that timed through ROYGBIV colors like a rainbow, things like burn-time and comparative brightness of the different colors would desirable. I think that was one of the main goals of this system? One thing I've found when mixing "better" color comps is they have vastly different burn rates and comparative brightness. For instance, I'm trying to find a blue that bright enough to be the core color on red-to-white-to-blue round stars, so that the white doesn't overpower the change to blue. I'll be using one of the less-bright whites I suppose. Velines system could be a good choice for variegated shells, rainbow mines or timed shell effect, etc. Does anyone have any bright blue formulas to suggest? I've tried KP organics- Shimizu's B70, and Conkling's CuO blue, both are nice blues but not super bright. I tried Veline blue too a while back, I can't compare the brilliance to the organic blues though from memory, I'll do a side by side test with the Veline vs organic blues and post results.
PyroMan LTU Posted May 10, 2009 Posted May 10, 2009 swervedriver, I think that the best blue is veline's blue metallic, it is the brightest and deepest blue I know, it has 6% of fine mgal which gives a very bright colour. here is my old shell with these stars: and here in the 2:46 second is a 4"er where C8 burn on 6mm blue cores. If this blue is not deep enough maybe try incresing the % of mgal but be careful not to wash out the colour PyroMan
swervedriver Posted May 10, 2009 Posted May 10, 2009 That's really good pyroman! Maybe my KP wasn't as pure as yours, I don't recall my veline blue being that deep. Well, I have new perc now, maybe I'll try it again, thanks for the vid
AdmiralDonSnider Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 Does one layer of "superprime" light the stars reliably? Or is there a need for two stage priming? How do you usually prime Veline´s? Any prime that works wonders, apart from silicon based ones?
swervedriver Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 "Veline style" prime worked good for me on these stars, with green mix final prime. The BP final prime must be slow and rough, fast BP burned right off of it without lighting it. Potassium Perchlorate 62 Charcoal Airfloat 22 Magnalium,granular, -200 mesh 7 Dextrin 4 Aluminum, dark -325 mesh 3 Copper(II) Oxide, black 2
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