TranslucentDragon Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Hey,So, looking at a couple other threads,someone said that with a smoke bomb composition of KNO3 and Sugar that Baking Soda doesn't actually slow the reaction rate, and that it was just a myth that it actually does anything to smoke bomb. Is this true? Also, if I'm correct, you can't color the KNO3/Sucrose bombs. Correct? You'd have to use a Potassium Chlorate/Lactose mixture and Dyes to color.
pyroman2498 Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 When i add baking soda to my Kno3 & Sugar Smoke Bombs it slows down my reaction. but maybe its an impurity. And as for the coloring i'm not too sure, i've never made a colored smoke bomb, but from what i read yes, the Potassium chlorate mix the only one that can use a dye, but don't take my word for it . And ive also heard that you have to have a nozzle on the smoke bomb to have it work?
LTUPyro Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) In my expierince baking soda don't slow comp very much. Soda calm fire down wich cause more smoke. Edited July 6, 2013 by LTUPyro
VikingPyrotechnics Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 The best nitrate Smoke I've done so far,is called "legendary smoke bomb" Comp: 60g potassium nitrate, 40g of sugar and 40g of paraffin wax. Grind and mix nitrate and sugar as fine as possible. Melt the wax at the lowest possible level on the stove. Then gradually stir in the powder.When everything is mixed, allow to cool, stirring occasionally.This must then be packed airtight. for ignition you need usually a sparkler. It produces a lot of smoke and very very long.GreetsVP
alexpyro101 Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 baking soda will slow it down a little bit but whenever i did it it got a little bit fluffy almost like a melted marshmallow which became a little bit annoying. i recommend going for the legendary smoke mix with more sugar and wax as apposed to 60:40 kno3:sugar+baking soda. the smoke is whiter and their is less flame, it burns less violently. you CAN color kno3 based smoke mixes, it is a little bit tricky to get it right but it is possible. I have seen people on youtube do it ( and no not just the ultimate colored smoke bomb video, that guy exaggerates all his videos and stretches the truth. You won't be able to buy clothing dye and have it work for colored smoke) and have done it myself, it likes to change the dye's color if the flame gets too hot but i can see it's possible with a little bit of tweaking to the formula. check out this guy PeDwa i love his smoke mix, i think it's the best kno3 based smoke i've ever made. chlorate based colored smoke is more common and will be easier to make B&T smoke formula B&T with dye B&T with dye again colored smoke chlorate free-blue: http://www.pyrobin.com/files/rauch_blau2.jpg http://www.pyrobin.com/files/rauch_blau1.jpghere is the source for the 2 images above: http://www.pyrobin.com/files.php?sort=1&filter=2&type=0&cols=2&rows=1
leedrill Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 i did a lot of reading on this topic after wasting over 2 kgs of different coloured dyes with some dyes nitrate mix done right can create an output of very low grade colour but only with some dyes and only if you can get it to work as in the video above. but there is so many organic dyes to choose from and then there is the toxic option aswell such as some of the rhodamine compounds. but to get the kind of out put in the video i just posted chlorate based is the only way and to use the rainbow of colours aswell. to be honest i had not seen the above videos and have read it can be done but i was not a believer till now and even if i had not read the comments on the video would still be a bit of a skeptic { so thanks alexpyro} but i would still not waste my dye on trying. Chlorate based smoke are just so superior when it comes to colour
TranslucentDragon Posted July 7, 2013 Author Posted July 7, 2013 (edited) So, basically, chlorate is superior if you want colored smoke? Edited July 7, 2013 by TranslucentDragon
alexpyro101 Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 i did a lot of reading on this topic after wasting over 2 kgs of different coloured dyes with some dyes nitrate mix done right can create an output of very low grade colour but only with some dyes and only if you can get it to work as in the video above. but there is so many organic dyes to choose from and then there is the toxic option aswell such as some of the rhodamine compounds. but to get the kind of out put in the video i just posted chlorate based is the only way and to use the rainbow of colours aswell. to be honest i had not seen the above videos and have read it can be done but i was not a believer till now and even if i had not read the comments on the video would still be a bit of a skeptic { so thanks alexpyro} but i would still not waste my dye on trying. Chlorate based smoke are just so superior when it comes to color I completely agree, if i ever want to make colored smoke i would choose potassium Chlorate over hours of experimentation with kno3 with it's mediocre results. I was just pointing out that it was possible (well mostly possible). I remember when i first started pyro i was trying to make colored smoke with kno3, and had tried many different dyes with no success and it's all because of this stupid video right here: I hate this guy's videos("shootingeggs" made this video andwas reuploaded from metacafe many times to various websites) , some of the experiments worked, some didn't, and most of them half worked, some were even flat out lies. He was the cause of a lot of wasted time and frustration for me.
alexpyro101 Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 So, basically, chlorate is superior if you want colored smoke? if you want colored smoke just go with chlorate.The smoke mixes that skylighter and a few other websites sell work very well. The first 2 colors of mix i ordered worked perfect(about 3 or 4 years ago) but the last one i ordered about a year ago didn't work very well, but i think it was my fault for not grinding my potassium chlorate fine enough(i don't have a mill jar and media for chlorate at the moment) but I'm pretty sure they fixed the mix and just had a bad shipment. they also sell full kits with tubes, plugs, potassium chlorate, and everything else needed.
leedrill Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 too right alex that stupid video haha i wonder how much time and money that has wasted for people other than you and me haha i was like well if he can do it. but now im like no that video is so fake those ratios would not work. when making a good smoke mix with chlorate the first time it looks like it wont even burn due to the small amount of kclo3 and lactose and the crap load of dye but then you light it and well it bellows just as much smoke as kno3 and sucrose but vibrantly coloured
ytrevor23 Posted December 31, 2013 Posted December 31, 2013 When i add baking soda to my Kno3 & Sugar Smoke Bombs it slows down my reaction. but maybe its an impurity. And as for the coloring i'm not too sure, i've never made a colored smoke bomb, but from what i read yes, the Potassium chlorate mix the only one that can use a dye, but don't take my word for it . And ive also heard that you have to have a nozzle on the smoke bomb to have it work?What is a nozzle in that term
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