jaysgoh Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 (edited) Hello Guys ,I am dedicated in Pyro Technics ! i love fireworks . but too bad i cant buy them here . So the only choice i can only make my self . I like to build thingsthere are alot of newbie questions for me .. hope u all can answer my newbie questions and let me move on other step .1. May I Know Burst Charge Contain What Chemical/Ingradients ? 2. May I Know Do Big Rockets , Aerial Shells ( Ball ) got any Flash Powder Contains ? Because i saw my neighbourhood fire a big rocket , crysanthenum pattern and a loud bang ... i do interest in the Crysanthenumm Pattern and the Loud Bang . 3. Do a Black powder can produce LOUD BANG ? 4. I Can Purchase Dextrin , Potassium Perchlorate , Potassium Nitrate , **BBQ CHARCOAL** , SULFUR , Aluminum Powder , With this chemical , can i make a professional fireworks ? ( have to confirm before i make purchase or invest into this hobby ) 5. I Dont have a ball mill , and also dont want to buy it . too expensive . trying to build a normal jam jar size is enough or biggier ... i still cant find what motor dc suit for the jar size . i need help on this too . 6. I am from Asia which is fireworks are ban in my country . but my country doesn't much more law enforcement , so all illegal fireworks ( which is legal in US) are selling , even in the (Pasar Malam) <-- Night Market sure got sell ... Most of them selling redneck cracker , big rockets , battery cake , BUT i still cant find any Aerial Shells , yes it rarely find , max i think 3'' only .. But the price , its was almost 400USD for 3shells (3'') 7. I am interest to build the fireworks . and also i got no chemical right now except Kno3 . i need to confirm first (*4*) before make a investment . 8. Thanks for taking ur time to view my newbie idiot thread , hope u all can answer by reply this thread .. your help is a great help on me ! Thanks APC , Everyone ,sorry for my broken english . Edited February 14, 2013 by gohjiejing
dynomike1 Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Be patience people are looking for answers.
schroedinger Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Shouldn't be to hardfor you, if you got such a got supply level. First get the Turbo Pyro book and look through the free plans on skylighter. They`re quite nice to read and gives answers to nearly all your Questions. Bbq. Charcoal may work for Stars but you will need some other, which you schould be able to make yourself. Just look for the right thread on this forum. With that list of chemicals you`ve posted, you listed all basic chemicals.How fine the Aluminium you can get?For Stars you would need something around 40-80 microns, and some bigger ones (around 200-400microns). For the Bang some really fine from 1-10 microns preferable 1-6. For your ball mill, there`s a thread about ball mills. look througt it for an impression. If you`ver allready got a engine, build your mill from that point, if not see what your mill must be able to do and draw it bofore building.
jaysgoh Posted February 15, 2013 Author Posted February 15, 2013 my target are builing a black powder first , but charcoal really hard to make it .. i got rc plane balsa wood . can i use to charcoal ?after fountain , i will try make a paper hemis after that i will granulate the bp and ram into a tube put a pingpong ball and try wether it can works or not .if works , going to purchase a miller purchased , i am going to 3'' shells with homemade hemi i will mill it for 45 hours until airfloat , then i will make star . i can't get strotium or other less common chemical in my country . for what i know i can only build flash report shells , crysanthemum flash report shells or .. i got no choice ...limited resources in my country
Shadowcat1969 Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Like Schredinger said, one of the best things to do is to do a LOT of reading, here and at Skylighter and other sources that are trustworthy (don't trust a lot of what you see on YouTube for instance). There are a lot of discussions about different chemicals and which ones to use for what, which ones may be interchangeable or not. And there are hours of reading on charcoal and black powder manufacture. You will get much better answers to questions that are more specific, once you have some of the basic information there will be much more response to your questions.
dynomike1 Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 I don't think you will ever make good Black powder without a mill. Go ahead and get a mill you need it.
jaysgoh Posted February 16, 2013 Author Posted February 16, 2013 i coundt get any ball mill in imy country . looking for ball mill that ship to Malaysia.
Seymour Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) Stop looking for things in Malaysia if you cannot find them there. There IS the rest of the world to look for supplies. I live in New Zealand and similarly there are things you can get locally, and some things you cant. So I got them in. I think I also need to point out that everything you are asking us has been asked before many, many times on this forum and other places. All this is on the forum so that when someone asks a question, many people can see the answer. You are being very needy and demanding to be spoon fed. Firstly I am urging you to go off and learn from this forum, skylighter and all the places your questions are answered on the internet for our sake, because if everyone who was interested in pyrotechnics acted like you are acting, this place would be 98% people asking the same questions again and again, and to be honest, would stop being a worthwhile place. Secondly, it is for your sake. If you do the research yourself, by the time you answer your first question, you have probably found the answer to several of your other questions, and also answers to questions you never knew existed. Edited February 16, 2013 by Seymour
schroedinger Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Like allredy said, keep reading first.For your first things you probably won`t need a ball mill.Tri some Fountains and small shells, with Benzolift. (as lift and maybe as brake). Should work for the start
dynomike1 Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Build your own.This might help.http://www.wichitabuggywhip.com/fireworks/misc.html#ballmill
dynomike1 Posted February 17, 2013 Posted February 17, 2013 I spent two months reading before i did anything. Confused yes but i kept reading and i got over it. I take one project at a time prefect it and go to the next one. The first thing is to concentrate on making Black powder (LOTS OF IT). This link should help you understand and keep you safe. http://web.archive.org/web/20110817105831/http://www.pyroguide.com/index.php?title=Category:Tutorials
taiwanluthiers Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Yea, its surprising how much black powder is used in making even small shells. For each 3" shell it requires probably 30 grams of meal coated rice and another 30 grams for lift... multiply that by 10 shells (which goes quicker than you expect) and you'll go through pounds and pounds of bp just putting on a tiny show.
Shadowcat1969 Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 There are lots of options. Cotton seed and puffed rice cereal, just to name two. Again, reading here and other places will get you answers to a LOT of your basic questions, like this. THEN you will have a basic knowledge of these things and will be able to ask questions that most of us don't want to take time to spoon feed you about. Please take the advice many of us have given you already and read this forum, pretty much end to end.
taiwanluthiers Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 Don't they grow rice in your country? I had a little difficulty at first but it took some asking around. They may be used as packing materials in some cases... check out egg dealers they might have some free ones.
jaysgoh Posted February 21, 2013 Author Posted February 21, 2013 okay , i did make a small batch charcoal . cook by using some tins and fil in with balsa woods piece . i cook for 15 min . and not all balck .. some black some still in normal colour . time limited for me . sorry . may i know how to know the charcoal is cooked ? full turn blacked and its iside also ?
Mumbles Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 You might want to try searching the forum and the internet for information. The questions you ask are so incredibly basic and covered in dozens of places. Yet, you refuse to do this on your own, expect us to spoon feed you information. That is no how to succeed in this hobby. It's so outrageously clear that you don't have the patience or discipline needed for this hobby. You should probably quit before you hurt yourself or others.
patsroom Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Making charcoal can even be done on a charcoal grill you just have to get it up to temperature and holding it there until the wood has transformed to charcoal. If you container has a small hole in it just get the smoke coming out of it to burn. As it is cooking the flamable gases will cook off when the gas can no longer continuel to burn wait for a few more minutes, remove from heat plug the hole and let it cool down. If you opening it up to early it will catch fire and burn, making the charcoal into ash - no good. Your charcoal is under cooked at this time again no good.Now for the bad news, you need to read more there are many sources on the internet on how to cook/ make charcoal it is truly not hard to make.............Pat
jaysgoh Posted February 21, 2013 Author Posted February 21, 2013 Here is it ... i try to mix it without sulfer . Kno3 , Sugar Charcoal .. well .. it dont not burn like bp . just like r candy fuels ..
taiwanluthiers Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) bp without sulfur will barely burn... Furthermore it needs to be well integrated with itself. Also your wood was not completely charred. Charcoal should crush easily, especially if made of a really soft wood such as balsa (by the way Balsa is actually hardwood, as the definition of softwood is conifer trees like pine, spruce, cedar, and cypress and everything else with broad leaves are considered hardwood). The correct formula is 75 kno3, 15 charcoal, and 10 sulfur. There are other ratios that burns at different speeds but this is a general formula that works for most people. sugar is not necessary. Edited February 21, 2013 by taiwanluthiers
jaysgoh Posted February 21, 2013 Author Posted February 21, 2013 well i will cook again .. basically if do this amount of charcoal enought for 100g ?
jaysgoh Posted February 21, 2013 Author Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) what if sulferless ? am i okay to cook this in indoor ? quite smoky when after 6min . then i turn it off.. some of balsa are black in colour but not really easy to braek it .. i dont think its realy black , or brownish .. i am colour blind person . act i dont like messy stuff .. if my country did sell a high quality charcoal i willing to pay at high price . again .. did anyone try bbq charcoal ? Edited February 21, 2013 by gohjiejing
jaysgoh Posted February 21, 2013 Author Posted February 21, 2013 i got no permision to cook at the street , and it too much smoky and bad smells . if you say i cant cook charcoal that mean i cant fire a fireworks you are wrong act ,fireworks are nice because alot of neighbour like it and the awesome sounds , colour effects . but charcoal are just too smoky and not nice ..
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