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[dagabu]

Mum, thats a brilliant observation, one that was made last year by a buddie that thought the 4" cans were too high. The problem was solved by timing the shell break to a 3' can. It worked splendidly. I have another i will be shooting YND, I will make sure to film this one to show you the effect, it has four rings and a "bottom shot".

 

-dag

[Mumbles]

When I mentioned that I didn't really take the fact that you can get multiple rings per layer on these. Your solution sounds good to me. I can only imagine how some of the international members will feel about you after they figure out how much timefuse will go into that shell

[dagabu]

No kidding!!

 

It took nearly 12 feet of time fuse to make the 3.5" ID can with four rings of timed reports. We are fortunate up here that time fuse (the good red and white stuff) costs about $12.00 a roll (20m) in bulk so the cost is not too very high, about $2.00 a can for time fuse.

 

Still, one or two of these in a show sure is a nice way to break up all the color shells.

 

-dag

[JFeve81]

Mum, thats a brilliant observation, one that was made last year by a buddie that thought the 4" cans were too high. The problem was solved by timing the shell break to a 3' can. It worked splendidly. I have another i will be shooting YND, I will make sure to film this one to show you the effect, it has four rings and a "bottom shot".

 

-dag

 

Holy bejeezuz! A 3' can! What do you shoot that thing out of?

[dagabu]

3" mortar...

 

3 foot can!! LOL, that would be a heel of a mortar, no?

 

 

-dag

Edited November 15, 2012 by dagabu

[pyroshell]

It's all personal preference, but I'd typically consider these too be too small for 4 and 5" shells. To put things in perspective a 4" shell will fit about 2 rows of 25 of these, and a 5" shell will fit 2 or 3 rows of 35 or so. Not that this many inserts is bad, but they may be too high to really make the same sort of impact.

I am not a big thump junkie, I was more looking for the visual effect of making them break in rings (or what ever else). I wanted to bring some art back to the salute. The salute has gotten a bad name because (at least in my opinion) has been misused. Misuse of any thing pyro even more so when with borderline he leads to bad things (lost of fingers,limbs,family members, friends, loved ones, your or some ones else life,ect). I do not think they are as bad as people portray them to be, it is just the wide spread misuse. I could do what dagabu suggested and shorten up the time fuse. i in fact planed to have a low enough break that the salutes them self continued to rise when breaking in order then fall about 10% or less of their height then break the rest. so at a set altitude you would have a circle break then going higher you would have them continue to break then when it descends far enough break another ring of the inserts. I am sure not only that it can be done but that some one has not only made a shell of this type but also coined a term for it. Since I do not know of such a thing i will not even begin to pretend i know what they are called. I can only say what I have figured out mostly through experience. Hope this makes since. P.S: hope I hope that I am not derailing or spamming this tread

[dagabu]

Pyroshell,

 

No, you are not derailing this at all, you have some great points. Gimme a sec, i'll edit this in a moment...

 

Yes, the shell breaks at about 300 feet or so and the inserts continue to rise somewhat but what is more important is the ballistic curve, the first inserts go off in about 1 second, the second ring is a little bigger and a little higher and goes off at 2 seconds, the third ring is just over the first ring and goes off at 3 seconds, the fourth ring is just below the first ring, it goes off at 4 seconds. The bottom shot goes off at 5 seconds and if done right, will go off about 100 feet off the ground.

 

I call them timed reports since they are not true Beraq since they are not made of paper and use time fuse.

 

 

The first shell gives you a good indication of what I am after.

 

-dag

Edited November 15, 2012 by dagabu

[mikeee]

Got the package today, everything looks good.

 

Thank you!

[dagabu]

Great news. You are going to have a lot of fun with those.

 

-dag

[JFeve81]

Got mine today as well.

 

Now for the weekend to roll around so I can test a few.

Edited November 15, 2012 by JFeve81

[Mumbles]

100 feet of altitude for your bottom shot. There's your problem. That's at least 90-95 feet too high.

[dagabu]

100 feet of altitude for your bottom shot. There's your problem. That's at least 90-95 feet too high.

 

LOL! You and me both love a low break but there are a couple clubs in the immediate area that frown on them coming from a rocket... Now, the IOWA club, well, that's another matter all together. Thems loves their thumps.

 

-dag

[pyroshell]

Pyroshell,

 

No, you are not derailing this at all, you have some great points. Gimme a sec, i'll edit this in a moment...

 

Yes, the shell breaks at about 300 feet or so and the inserts continue to rise somewhat but what is more important is the ballistic curve, the first inserts go off in about 1 second, the second ring is a little bigger and a little higher and goes off at 2 seconds, the third ring is just over the first ring and goes off at 3 seconds, the fourth ring is just below the first ring, it goes off at 4 seconds. The bottom shot goes off at 5 seconds and if done right, will go off about 100 feet off the ground.

 

I call them timed reports since they are not true Beraq since they are not made of paper and use time fuse.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjsmfKQxo90&feature=relmfu

 

The first shell gives you a good indication of what I am after.

 

-dag

That is just about what I am after . Yeah i am thinking that can shells should be best, because I can fit a lot more inserts. I just find it kind of sad how much of a bad rep salutes have just because of their misuse and (at least in their early stages) low shelf life comps that used to fill them. Now that we have good ol 7:3 vitamin F and know how to use them properly they should not be as frown upon. Thanks for the video!

[EOD1959]

My cap plugs came today. Built five hooked them up with fast fuse.

Beautiful!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Dave

Dennis

[mikeee]

Put a couple hundred inserts together today.

 

http://www.pyrobin.com/files/Caplugs%20Fused%20%26%20Primed.JPG

[FlaMtnBkr]

How much flash did you mix at once? Just standard stuff or something more sensitive that takes fire easier? I believe he who shall not be named uses a fairly sensitive chlorate based flash for cap plugs.

 

That is exactly the type of thing I like to use safe flash on. You can mix the whole batch and not worry as much about mixing it all at once.

[Mumbles]

It's always safer to mix the whole batch at once, no matter what mixture you're using (within reason). This happens to be one of the applications where the more sensitive varieties excel. A more sensitive composition ensures crisper timing, and had a more pleasing sound to be in these small salutes. Less sensitive mixtures, especially those designed not to burn well in the open, have somewhat variable lag time. Honestly, on it's own, it's hard to notice, but shot side by side the more sensitive mixtures look and sound better to me. To be fair, the shells I'm thinking of were made by two different builders, so the difference might have simply been due to that. That said, I still use a mixture containing antimony trisulfide in small salutes.

[FlaMtnBkr]

I hadn't though about the timing aspect since I haven't attempted that yet. I guess one day when I try cylinder shells. It works good in a whistle to report or a go getter to report but they just go everywhere and do their thing. Timing doesn't matter and they are just jumble filled when I've done them.

 

Having a couple hundred grams of chlorate and antimony flash out in the open and scooping into it a couple hundred times, especially when getting close to finished when the chances of scraping the sides of the container are higher, makes me pucker up thinking about it. Yes you can put a smaller amount of flash in a container and put the bulk away, but all the flash in the salutes you have filled would most likely light as well.

 

I don't know why I get a mental picture of what would happen if the pyro material I'm working with were to light on fire. And I don't for all the other stupid things I have done in my life. But I do and I try to be as safe as possible, including safe flash.

Edited July 22, 2013 by FlaMtnBkr

[asdercks]

Sorry for waking up this a bit older thread. :|

 

I wounder if you still have this yellow caps for sale, and if you maybe have started to sell them outside of the US?

 

I live in Sweden, and I have searched for this caps like a mad man for at least a couple of months time without any luck at all.

 

(sorry for my bad english)

You could send Dag a private message and ask him if he still have any plugs left

[mikeee]

You can find them on Ebay sometimes, they are made by several different companies. The long ones are hard to find.

You need to use several different words when searching, bolt caps, caplugs, cap plugs, etc.

[calebkessinger]

I sell em. 6 bucks for 100 + shipping. flat rate padded envelope with weight under 4 lbs should get to you for 26 bucks shipping.

 

Looks like a flat rate envelope will hold 500 of the 1.5 in ones. give or take.

[gregh]

Or if you have plenty of cheap labor (six kids), you have them roll some 1/4" ID tubes, cut them to the right length, and put a bit of hot glue in one end. Voila! Family craft time and report cap plugs!

 

That sounds good in theory. However, they all fight constantly, so the dowel rods got broke they were using as formers, there was hot glue everywhere, and the glue gun was being used as a weapon to fend off the broken dowel rod swords. This is why I normally hide in the pyro shed for hours and hours and hours...

[ddewees]

lol...

 

I remember those days with my son. We used to sit at the kitchen table gluing end plugs into "firecrackers" all day...

 

Now it's a struggle talking him into coming to events even when someone like TR will be there.

 

 

How quickly they grow up, and find their own interests.