yvariro Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Hi all,the title explain all,what pasting technics are you usings?and what is the 3strip method? yvariro
PyroAce Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 For some reason no one wanted to help you, please see these threads: http://www.amateurpyro.com/forums/topic/4729-how-to-make-a-3-paper-ball-shell/ http://www.amateurpyro.com/forums/topic/7507-3-inch-ball-shell-tutorial/
dagabu Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 I use a WASP for ball shells and pasted kraft for cylinder shells and of course I think that they are the best ways to paste but its really up to the person doing the pasting. Al really likes to hand paste, he finds it to be relaxing but drives me crazy. -dag 1
PyroAce Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I use a WASP for ball shells and pasted kraft for cylinder shells and of course I think that they are the best ways to paste but its really up to the person doing the pasting. Al really likes to hand paste, he finds it to be relaxing but drives me crazy. -dag I have seen the WASP machine in action, it's very impressive, I guess you could justify buying one if you make a large amount of shells, but if your like me and don't make as many shells it's hard to justify purchasing one.
yvariro Posted November 4, 2012 Author Posted November 4, 2012 For some reason no one wanted to help you, please see these threads: http://www.amateurpy...per-ball-shell/ http://www.amateurpy...shell-tutorial/ ok thanks you to help me!!,I thought before that there was a particular of pasting method for a good break and a symetrical effect,but yeah it's really up in person. and if there is a problem with my topic(maybe there is a lot of document who are explaining this) it would be better to say it rather than not answer
Algenco Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 sometimes hard to explain technique's (for me at least)I use my version of the 3 strip method, any method that doesn't cause build up on the poles is fine.I feel quality of materials (paste,paper,etc) and good burnishing is what makes the difference I enjoy hand pasting when my Arthritis allows but I'll eventually buy a Wasp Wasped shells perform great, but aren't as pretty as my hand pasted
dagabu Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 I don't own a WASP but I know people that do. It's fun to get together and do a bunch of shells all at the same time. -dag
marks265 Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 ok thanks you to help me!!,I thought before that there was a particular of pasting method for a good break and a symetrical effect,but yeah it's really up in person. and if there is a problem with my topic(maybe there is a lot of document who are explaining this) it would be better to say it rather than not answer There is plenty of material out there and here of course. If you were to add a little experience or a question related to something you read I might answer you. Your post is more like a cold calling sales person. I little more effort towards your interests would go a long way. There is a ridiculous amount of information about and you gave no clue of trying. You asked, I hope it helps for your next question. Mark
PyroAce Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 I agree what you are saying Mark, it does always help if extra information is presented rather than just a short paragraph, it makes providing help a lot easier and also gives an idea of the persons understanding on the subject.
yvariro Posted November 5, 2012 Author Posted November 5, 2012 ah yes! this is true I have been little stupid ^^ next topic will be better , I have also had trouble explaining what I was looking for information in English,thank you for pointing this out and what happen if a shell is build up in the pole? a bad break ?
Mumbles Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 It depends on several factors, but if there is excessive buildup of paper around the poles or any other area, the break is less likely to be perfectly spherical. Ideally you want the thickness, and therefore confinement, to be consistent around the entire shell to give your shell the best chance to be symmetric.
marks265 Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 You can move your poles around to try to compensate or you could back off from the poles with the next layers and then go wider to blend in the next layer. You do want to keep the wall thickness as close to the same as you can throughout the entire sphere. Some people even cut their paper strips differently to avoid excess build up. Such as a tear drop shape at one end or cutting "gores" Depending on what your effect is, it may not matter too much depending on shell orientation when the shell finally breaks. Some shells it will matter a heck of a lot. Even the WASP machine is not perfect when taping unless the shell is watched really close. It is really easy for the drive wheels to slip once or twice and then the whole pasting pattern is off. For starting out as you are don't worry about it too much at first. You have found that wall thickness matters, so do what you can to prevent it. As you get more familiar you will pick up on it and develop a pasting routine that works for you. We can go on and on about paper thicknesses, the type of paper, the type of paste, the amount of water, the burst charge to use, the size of the stars, which hemi's you're using, what effect are wanting to achieve, and how many layers you want to have. For now I think you might want to make a shell that fits in the gun, shoot it, and then make another and then another.
Algenco Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 You can move your poles around to try to compensate or you could back off from the poles with the next layers and then go wider to blend in the next layer. You do want to keep the wall thickness as close to the same as you can throughout the entire sphere. Some people even cut their paper strips differently to avoid excess build up. Such as a tear drop shape at one end or cutting "gores" Depending on what your effect is, it may not matter too much depending on shell orientation when the shell finally breaks. Some shells it will matter a heck of a lot. Even the WASP machine is not perfect when taping unless the shell is watched really close. It is really easy for the drive wheels to slip once or twice and then the whole pasting pattern is off. For starting out as you are don't worry about it too much at first. You have found that wall thickness matters, so do what you can to prevent it. As you get more familiar you will pick up on it and develop a pasting routine that works for you. We can go on and on about paper thicknesses, the type of paper, the type of paste, the amount of water, the burst charge to use, the size of the stars, which hemi's you're using, what effect are wanting to achieve, and how many layers you want to have. For now I think you might want to make a shell that fits in the gun, shoot it, and then make another and then another. That says it all, pasting is something that improves everytime you do it, consistent thickness is the key
yvariro Posted November 6, 2012 Author Posted November 6, 2012 Thanks you for all of your reply! I will shoot my shell soon,maybe friday,and maybe share the video, and mark265,yes for the moment your totally right i prefer improve the the basics technics,like pastings,fusing...,and after start to more complexs effects
marks265 Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 No problem, just keep your head clear when you go to "smell the smoke", AKA "stay green" Mark
yvariro Posted November 8, 2012 Author Posted November 8, 2012 ahah,don't worry,making firework need a lot of organisation,but i arrive good (maybe sorry for my english,even google failed to translate what I mean! x)
marks265 Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 ahah,don't worry,making firework need a lot of organisation,but i arrive good (maybe sorry for my english,even google failed to translate what I mean! x) You're not doing too bad. My French is really bad and most people would prefer not to hear it.
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