My Titanium Powder process

[kleberrios]

This is the method for making granular titanium mesh 40/100, In 8 hours of service you can make around 30 kg The Ti is grade 2 (Surgical) I also grind and Grade 5 Ti and Ti sponge (Purer all)

 

 

This is the only video on how to make Titanium powder on YOU TUBE. The Titanium's chips are difficult to cut and titanium sparks are some fine (100 mesh) on fire because of friction.

 

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

Edited January 2, 2012 by kleberrios

[NightHawkInLight]

Amazing machine. Was it specifically made for grinding titanium?

[kleberrios]

Amazing machine. Was it specifically made for grinding titanium?

 

 

This machine grinds Magnesium Ships 60/100 mesh, Titanium chips 40/100 mesh, 100 / 200 mesh Charcoal, Aluminum Chip, foil 40/100 mesh etc.. She has several screens from 15 to 40 mesh. Just exchange the desired mesh screens. She does not use inert gas because it does not accumulate in fine powder enough to ignite> I bought it on a scrap dealer, I did a review and let better than factory. .

Edited January 2, 2012 by kleberrios

[drthrust]

interesting, how does it work?

[kleberrios]

interesting, how does it work?

 

 

 

This small mill has two rotating carbide blades that revolve around two stationary blades at a distance of some microns.

[Nitrato]

Quite interesting machine! Sad some of your product is lost to hungry oxygen. =(

 

Where you get that massive amounts of titanium shavings? Did you buy or make it yourself? I will be glad if know such supply of Ti shavings somewhere near me.

Also, there is any major difference in pyro use from grade 1 (CP1 - pure) Ti to grade 5 (vanadium-aluminium alloyed)?

Did you milled some of it? If yes how long it takes to mill with steel balls (or other milling media)?

 

Other questions:

Is Ti chemically compatible with all compositions in which it is used? Or saying another way, did you folks need to coat Ti flake/powder with something like linseed oil or dillute parrafin to protect against reacting with any particular mix? Or maybe adding some compound to keep it from reacting (like boric acid in Al-nitrate comps)? Ive learned that TiO2 films are quite strong and mechanically resistant but Im just thinking if could exist any pyro mix capable of being incompatible with it.

 

 

Kleberrios, check your inbox.

Edited January 26, 2012 by Nitrato

[kleberrios]

Quite interesting machine! Sad some of your product is lost to hungry oxygen. =(

 

Where you get that massive amounts of titanium shavings? Did you buy or make it yourself? I will be glad if know such supply of Ti shavings somewhere near me.

Also, there is any major difference in pyro use from grade 1 (CP1 - pure) Ti to grade 5 (vanadium-aluminium alloyed)?

Did you milled some of it? If yes how long it takes to mill with steel balls (or other milling media)?

 

Other questions:

Is Ti chemically compatible with all compositions in which it is used? Or saying another way, did you folks need to coat Ti flake/powder with something like linseed oil or dillute parrafin to protect against reacting with any particular mix? Or maybe adding some compound to keep it from reacting (like boric acid in Al-nitrate comps)? Ive learned that TiO2 films are quite strong and mechanically resistant but Im just thinking if could exist any pyro mix capable of being incompatible with it.

 

 

Kleberrios, check your inbox.

 

 

Hi Nitrate. I mill all type Ti. Ti is no reative with almost chemicals except Fluoridric acid witch dissolv it. No pyro mix is incompatible with it. .I buy scrap Ti Whenever I can I'm going in various scrap dealers here in Brazil. Ti video came from a company that works with dentures of São Paulo (grade 2)

 

See dates of grade 2: http://asm.matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=MTU020 The problem is that the scrap comes with some oil, it takes some time and money to wash it TiAl6V4 Ti( grade 5) is slightly ignition more difficult than Grade 2. : Take a look at the compositions of almost all types of Titanium http://www.roymech.co.uk/Useful_Tables/Matter/Titanium.htm

 

 

The unalloyed Titanium catch more fire than others Ti alloyed .

[Nitrato]

Thanks Kleberrios..

Fluorides (especially soluble ones) are too nasty to be widely used in pyro mix, so I assume I will go safe with my small amount if Ti.

 

The scrap dealers I can find it are very difficult to carry magnesium car parts (I just know two scrap yards with Mg), so if they have some titanium that is much more exotic metal I would consider that a miracle..

 

Im currently trying to find Ti plates grade one/two for anode making experiments as it appear to be easier to etch than aluminium-vanadium alloys; do you know if that dental surplus sell scrap plates cheap? Im trying to avoid ebay since shipping to Brazil is quite expensive, some times more than product itself.

 

EDIT: the second link you posted dont open/work (not found).

Edited January 30, 2012 by Nitrato

[kleberrios]

Thanks Kleberrios..

Fluorides (especially soluble ones) are too nasty to be widely used in pyro mix, so I assume I will go safe with my small amount if Ti.

 

The scrap dealers I can find it are very difficult to carry magnesium car parts (I just know two scrap yards with Mg), so if they have some titanium that is much more exotic metal I would consider that a miracle..

 

Im currently trying to find Ti plates grade one/two for anode making experiments as it appear to be easier to etch than aluminium-vanadium alloys; do you know if that dental surplus sell scrap plates cheap? Im trying to avoid ebay since shipping to Brazil is quite expensive, some times more than product itself.

 

EDIT: the second link you posted dont open/work (not found).

 

 

I have some Titanium plates, I'll shoot for you to see if it serves.kc="null"> I'll check with the vendor that he has to provide sheets and tell you, I'm buying this week to 1100 kg of Titanium chips, and always has a few plates;.

Edited February 1, 2012 by kleberrios

[aarcain]

This machine grinds Magnesium Ships 60/100 mesh, Titanium chips 40/100 mesh, 100 / 200 mesh Charcoal, Aluminum Chip, foil 40/100 mesh etc.. She has several screens from 15 to 40 mesh. Just exchange the desired mesh screens. She does not use inert gas because it does not accumulate in fine powder enough to ignite> I bought it on a scrap dealer, I did a review and let better than factory. .

 

 

Do you sell any of the Titanium?

Edited February 11, 2012 by aarcain

[kleberrios]

Do you sell any of the Titanium?

 

Hi. I sell flake and granular powder Ti . And some blocks to Drag Titanium, plates, rods etc.

 

 

 

[PyroAce]

This method seems to work

 

http://www.csiro.au/Outcomes/Materials-and-Manufacturing/Innovation/TiRO.aspx

[kleberrios]

This method seems to work

 

http://www.csiro.au/...ation/TiRO.aspx

 

This method is intresting but is more dificult than my method. There is also the FFC Cambridge method that also work well. http://www.igcar.ernet.in/transiim/2004/vol57-6overview.pdf

[Nitrato]

The 100# flake Ti from Kleberrios is a very good material, I had an opportunity to test it. I made a small quick'n'dirty nozzle-less fountain (Im working on a good nozzle former) with BP and flake Ti and was quite bright. Soon will post the video.

 

IIRC, he also sell finer Ti mesh.

Edited March 3, 2012 by Nitrato

[ollie1016]

Do you reckon you could use a blender to do this? Then mill the powder with steel balls in a ball mill?

[FlaMtnBkr]

Only if you like blenders without blades. He has a specialized machine with carbide blades to grind up the very tough titanium. A blender has blades that are more similar to a tin can and will grind away faster than the titanium. Plus a blender doesn't really cut like a pair of scissors, it beats the material to a smaller size.

 

Your best bet if you have titanium chips or turnings is to screen out a size you can use. In my experience it isn't worth it because the ti will clog the screen since most pieces are needle shaped. Better to leave it to the pros that have the right equipment.

[ollie1016]

Only if you like blenders without blades. He has a specialized machine with carbide blades to grind up the very tough titanium. A blender has blades that are more similar to a tin can and will grind away faster than the titanium. Plus a blender doesn't really cut like a pair of scissors, it beats the material to a smaller size.

 

Your best bet if you have titanium chips or turnings is to screen out a size you can use. In my experience it isn't worth it because the ti will clog the screen since most pieces are needle shaped. Better to leave it to the pros that have the right equipment.

 

Darn! Thanks anyway. I have another question. I have an titanium ingot that is used in blast furnaces to make steel/iron alloys (I think). It is about 3" wide and 2" High and is a cylinder. Ive been racking my brains on how to refine it to get usable powder/ chunks to use in stars/fountains etc. I don't have access to a lathe by the way. Any suggestions would be great!

 

- Ollie

[dan999ification]

Sell the cylinder and buy some sponge ti do you have turnings aswell?

I'll swap ya for something.

 

Dan.

[WSM]

Only if you like blenders without blades. He has a specialized machine with carbide blades to grind up the very tough titanium. A blender has blades that are more similar to a tin can and will grind away faster than the titanium. Plus a blender doesn't really cut like a pair of scissors, it beats the material to a smaller size.

Your best bet if you have titanium chips or turnings is to screen out a size you can use. In my experience it isn't worth it because the ti will clog the screen since most pieces are needle shaped. Better to leave it to the pros that have the right equipment.

 

If you have titanium chips or turnings and a blender, you can chop the titanium turnings but you better be prepared to toss the blender if/when the motor dies. Yard sale or thrift shop blenders are the best bet. If you get a number of the same or similar type, you can "mix and match" parts to keep the operation going .

 

The best way to approach this is:

• don't overload the blender with titanium turnings (use a little at a time)
  
• put water in the blender with the titanium turnings
  
• put a drop or two of quality detergent in the water to emulsify cutting oils
  
• run the blender on HIGH for "long enough" (determined by experience)
  
• dump the chopped tunings in a sieve to separate cut powder from the fluids
  
• rinse with water while in the sieve to remove anything not titanium
  
• air or oven dry the titanium and store till ready for use
  
• sieve out different mesh ranges for use
  

If your turnings are mixed with steel turnings you can treat the lot with pool acid in a closed bucket till the iron is all converted to iron chloride and rinse the titanium turnings with water before chopping. Obviously, clean (titanium only) turnings are best.

 

Easy huh?! Well, no but possible!!! I know a man who did this and sold many 5 pound (2.26 kilos) boxes of chopped titanium "powder" till his source of titanium turnings dried up. It works and the final product is affordable, if your source is free or cheap.

 

Is this the best way to get usable titanium powder? No, but it is possible to do yourself in a home workshop!

 

Share photos when you set it up. Thanks.

 

WSM

[FlaMtnBkr]

Guess I didn't have the determination or a quality blender. The blades in my blender wore down quicker than the titanium. Maybe I need to try a different blender since I have quite a few pounds of turnings. I think I will just keep buying it when good deals come along.

[ollie1016]

This is the ingot http://www.amateurpy.../2232-ti-ingot/ My very pale hand is there for some kind of size comparason.

If you have titanium chips or turnings and a blender, you can chop the titanium turnings but you better be prepared to toss the blender if/when the motor dies. Yard sale or thrift shop blenders are the best bet. If you get a number of the same or similar type, you can "mix and match" parts to keep the operation going .

 

The best way to approach this is:

• don't overload the blender with titanium turnings (use a little at a time)
  
• put water in the blender with the titanium turnings
  
• put a drop or two of quality detergent in the water to emulsify cutting oils
  
• run the blender on HIGH for "long enough" (determined by experience)
  
• dump the chopped tunings in a sieve to separate cut powder from the fluids
  
• rinse with water while in the sieve to remove anything not titanium
  
• air or oven dry the titanium and store till ready for use
  
• sieve out different mesh ranges for use
  

If your turnings are mixed with steel turnings you can treat the lot with pool acid in a closed bucket till the iron is all converted to iron chloride and rinse the titanium turnings with water before chopping. Obviously, clean (titanium only) turnings are best.

 

Easy huh?! Well, no but possible!!! I know a man who did this and sold many 5 pound (2.26 kilos) boxes of chopped titanium "powder" till his source of titanium turnings dried up. It works and the final product is affordable, if your source is free or cheap.

 

Is this the best way to get usable titanium powder? No, but it is possible to do yourself in a home workshop!

 

Share photos when you set it up. Thanks.

 

WSM

 

Thanks for the info and advise!

 

I've heard that the ingot is comprised of highly compressed Ti powder and turnings. However I dropped it from 20m(~70ft) onto concrete and it did nothing! Im going to try hammer the hell out of it with a 15lbs sledge hammer and failing that I'll beg a local machine shop to let me mill it into chips/ turnings. I will let you all know how I get on when I get round to doing it :-)

 

Edit: Forgot to mention, I've filed it a bit and got 1-2grams of 30~mesh powder. This took me well over and 1hour to do! Not a viable solution! It works really well and gives a great effect when I drop the powder through a butane torch.

Edited June 2, 2013 by ollie1016

[psyco_1322]

Ive run probably 3lbs of Ti lathe turnings through a coffee grinder and its blades are fine. The grinder has lots of fine pieces stuck everywhere and is no longer good to grind anything else. I use a water/alcohol mix with the Ti when grinding, seems to work good.

[kleberrios]

This billet is sintered titanium. I'll tell you how to turn it into powder quickly: Warm up in the air at 2000 degrees Celsius, weigh it before. Heat it until it almost melts, it will absorb Oxygen, Hydrogen and Nitrogen in the air turning Hidroxinitreto Titanium that will brittle (beta) a little harder than a rock. After heating it will be heavier due to the absorbed gases ok? this method applies to any piece of titanium. After cooling is only brack it in a mortar

[ollie1016]

This billet is sintered titanium. I'll tell you how to turn it into powder quickly: Warm up in the air at 2000 degrees Celsius, weigh it before. Heat it until it almost melts, it will absorb Oxygen, Hydrogen and Nitrogen in the air turning Hidroxinitreto Titanium that will brittle (beta) a little harder than a rock. After heating it will be heavier due to the absorbed gases ok? this method applies to any piece of titanium. After cooling is only brack it in a mortar

 

Thanks for the information. I've got a coal foundry, however I doubt I'd get in to 2000 degrees in its current state. I'm going to try take it to a repair shop and mill it to turnings.

[kleberrios]

Thanks for the information. I've got a coal foundry, however I doubt I'd get in to 2000 degrees in its current state. I'm going to try take it to a repair shop and mill it to turnings.

 

Indeed the larger the piece of Ti is more difficult it becomes the Beta state, or leave the Ti brittle. Do not forget to weigh it before and after, because usually it is 30% heavier than before if the procedure is correct.

I will produce a video making a small piece of Ti in Ti Oxinitrohidretro to give you a idea. I will use an oxyacetylene flame to the process. Will use to achieve thermal blanket to retain heat and almost melt the Ti this video only used a flame butane and almost melted gear, if I was not using ceramic fiber, the gear would not be red and note that the torch flame is not fully open, if I open more gas maybe gear would have melted ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPjrJnsVbwk

Edited June 19, 2013 by kleberrios