madmandotcom Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) i have read somewhere that ferric nitrate is rust water, however rust is ferric oxide can somebody please explain this, also, if it is just a case of suspension makes nitrate and powder makes oxide, in its state of temporay niter, would you be able to do a percipitation reaction in its temporary state?there!, i've edited it, can someone please answer meYou mean Fe2O3·nH2O?dag, neither of these is ferric nitrateand mumbles, i have seen very thew people on here who do use sub script/super script for writing their chemical formulasPLEASE STOP PICKING ON ME! Edited August 16, 2011 by madmandotcom
Mumbles Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 If you learn to use some semblance of proper punctuation/grammar people may take you more seriously. I might suggest you pick up a chemistry book, and learn what you're doing before you hurt yourself. If you can't write a single correct chemical formula, you're getting no help from me at least.
dagabu Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 i have read somewhere that feno3 is rust water, however the formula for rust is fe 203, can somebody please explain this, also, if it is just a case of suspension makes nitrate and powder makes oxide, in its state of temporay niter, would you be able to do a percipitation reaction in its temporary state? You mean Fe2O3·nH2O?-dag
xBangergoosEx Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 No one is "picking on you", they are correcting you and attempting to help. the whole "victim" thing is getting old.
asilentbob Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 Chemistry is central to pyrotechnics. If you don't know some basic chemistry, you need to learn some... and picking up a used HS or college level general chemistry textbook is the best way to do this.
dagabu Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 i have read somewhere that ferric nitrate is rust water, however rust is ferric oxide can somebody please explain this, also, if it is just a case of suspension makes nitrate and powder makes oxide, in its state of temporay niter, would you be able to do a percipitation reaction in its temporary state?there!, i've edited it, can someone please answer me dag, neither of these is ferric nitrateand mumbles, i have seen very thew people on here who do use sub script/super script for writing their chemical formulasPLEASE STOP PICKING ON ME! It was an honest question since a search with your symbols didn't come up with what you were looking for. I seriously believe that you are incapable of safe and thoughtful work with pyrotechnics and that you should not (for you're own good) be allowed to partake in pyrotechnic forums. This is not picking on you but is based on my fear that you will kill yourself and leave this forum with a black eye. -dag
Mumbles Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 ...and mumbles, i have seen very thew people on here who do use sub script/super script for writing their chemical formulasPLEASE STOP PICKING ON ME! If you think I was getting on your case about subscripts, you have a long way to go. feno3 and fe 203, just think about it.
dagabu Posted August 17, 2011 Posted August 17, 2011 Good gravy! Could we just be rid of the kid and move on with some pyro please? -dag
madmandotcom Posted August 18, 2011 Author Posted August 18, 2011 good gravy could you just get rid of this nonsense and answer me
Mumbles Posted August 18, 2011 Posted August 18, 2011 Perhaps we only help those who help themselves. I really can't comprehend how you think we'd want to help someone who comes in here essentially demanding information while showing that you're pretty much incompetent with anything related to chemistry.
50AE Posted August 18, 2011 Posted August 18, 2011 Hey madman, I doubt you'll meet nicer people than the ones you talk to here
r1dermon Posted August 18, 2011 Posted August 18, 2011 I have a copy of Linus paulings "general chemistry" ill send you (you pay shipping). I just have to find the thing...great text though. Also, the chemistry for dummies book was remarkably well written and very useful for an intro to chem book.
asilentbob Posted August 19, 2011 Posted August 19, 2011 Rust is various iron oxides. Fe2O3, etc... Iron atoms and oxygen atoms. Water is H2O... Hydrogen atoms and oxygen atoms. Iron nitrate is either Fe2+ plus NO3- or Fe3+ plus NO3- ...IE, either Fe(NO3)2 or Fe(NO3)3... Iron atoms, nitrogen atoms, and oxygen atoms... Where the iron positive ions (cations) are bonded to 2 or 3 negatively charged (anions) polyatomic ions (multiple atoms that together act like a single ion) nitrate... Which are three oxygen atoms bonded to a central nitrogen atom, it is over-all stabilized with resonance... Rust added to water, is just rust added to water. Its not going to dissolve appreciably. Its just going to make a suspension if the iron oxide particles are small enough (cloudy water)... or it will settle on the bottom. No real chemical reaction here. You miss-read something or miss-remembered something... or the source you read from was very very stupid... Either way... if you learned some basic chemistry you would understand that the nitrate polyatomic ion would not magically form when adding rust to water... especially when nitrogen is not present in either rust or water to start with. Please, read a book.
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