Oubadah Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 My thread is locked already, and I'm confused. I was NOT talking about devices used to vandalise public property or anything like that - and I don't think there are any rules about blowing holes in one's own lawn. And as for plastic waste left underground, well I see many consumer grade fireworks fire little plastic shells, which certainly don't seem to biodegrade in my experience - are those 'destructive devices' too? I don't see any clear definition for 'destructive device' in the FAQ/guidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richtee Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 My thread is locked already, and I'm confused. I was NOT talking about devices used to vandalise public property or anything like that - and I don't think there are any rules about blowing holes in one's own lawn. And as for plastic waste left underground, well I see many consumer grade fireworks fire little plastic shells, which certainly don't seem to biodegrade in my experience - are those 'destructive devices' too? I don't see any clear definition for 'destructive device' in the FAQ/guidelines.Those things in plastic pipe can be considered "pipe B0*ms". Illegal everywhere and sure to bring the wrath of any LEA down upon you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oubadah Posted October 29, 2010 Author Share Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) Those things in plastic pipe can be considered "pipe B0*ms". Illegal everywhere and sure to bring the wrath of any LEA down upon you. I shouldn't think they'd be too happy about potato cannons either, but you have a whole forum dedicated to such devices... So if it's in a cardboard pipe, it's not a 'pipe bomb'? Edited October 29, 2010 by Oubadah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 we do things here sensibly if your talking about using anything but cardboard as a tube (Something like PVC or metal definite no no) have a bit of a read around the forum and you will soon understand what we class as idiot behavior and what is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oubadah Posted October 29, 2010 Author Share Posted October 29, 2010 OK, well one more question then. Say, hypothetically, I was using a post driver to fire fruit and concrete balls via black powder charge. Would that be considered a 'destructive device'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 OK, well one more question then. Say, hypothetically, I was using a post driver to fire fruit and concrete balls via black powder charge. Would that be considered a 'destructive device'? no but it may be considered a stupid idea depends on context if your firring concrete around people or in a neighborer hood park people will flame you if your shooting fruit at a target or shooting concrete on a farm (dont see why you would) and your barrel was sutable Im sure people may think it alittle weird but you shouldnt get flamed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunzway Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 The law enforcers will come down hard on you if you're using plastic as a casing in any circumstance. I've read about people nearly getting into trouble just because they used a plastic tube to launch their rockets from. If I remember correctly, one day someone had said tube ran over by a lawn mower or something, so it was basically shredded into small pieces similar to what you would expect a pipe bomb to leave. This person nearly got into a whole lot of trouble when someone discovered the pieces and thought they were making pipe bombs. If you're using cardboard, people are much more willing to accept the possibility you were making firecrackers and not something designed to shoot out shrapnel. Confetti generally doesn’t kill people. It’s also the fact we don’t want to promote people to use plastic in pyrotechnics. While I do believe you are sensible and that you know what you are doing, a thirteen year old kid who lurks the forum may not be and could potentially get hurt. It’s safer and not too much effort in the end of the day to just get a dowel, some PVA glue and manila folders and make your own tubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagabu Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 I shouldn't think they'd be too happy about potato cannons either, but you have a whole forum dedicated to such devices... So if it's in a cardboard pipe, it's not a 'pipe bomb'? Oubadah, In the USA, the BATFE is the federal group that determines whether or not something is considered an explosive device, infernal machine, IED, or a destructive device. I am only speaking from the US side of things. ANY device, regardless of materials used that is fabricated by you in which ANY explosive whether improvised or purchased is used is considered considered for all practical purposes an Improvised Explosive Device (IED). A sparkler bomb, a ground bomb, breaking 1000 firecrackers open and using the flash in a container or removing the heads of strike anywhere matches and grinding them up (really dangerous) to powder and using them in a container are all IEDs according to the BATFE. The definition of a "destructive device" is found in 26 U.S.C. § 5845(f). The definition reads as follows: (1) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas, bomb, grenade, rocket having a propellant charge of more than 4 ounces, missile having an explosive charge of more than 1/4 ounce, mine or similar device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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