pyrosailor99 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 i asked my fertilzer store for KNO3 and they said to me that 99% kno3 doesn't exisist as fertilizer. he showed me a 25kg bag of a potassium product and said me that is the most top quality potassium fertilizer. i can't remember all the three numbers but i can remeber "XX - 0 - 63" how can i know from this numbers if this is a GOOD kno3 source (that don't need to be purified) ? anyway hemade me read a sheet with technicl info and i remeber that there was impurity for 0,x% of some other chemical (metals i remember) was this good? thanks!
pyrosailor99 Posted October 11, 2010 Author Posted October 11, 2010 I'm sorry about this repeated topic... but your internal "search engine" dont' work very well...it don't show me results as i expect... i find interesting topics on this forum only searching on google... some time i read posts that say "you should read this topicZ " but topicZ is not linked and internal search can't find it... i know that there is an official chemicals dedicated topic on that threats about chemicals and sources and also about kNO3 as fertilizer... but i can't find it...so if someone can link it, i thanks!
dagabu Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 How about here? LINK Follow the drop down in the product window to Potassium Nitrate. They definitely are still making 99% pure KNO3.
AdmiralDonSnider Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 http://www.pyroguide.com/index.php?title=Black_Powder_Manufacture_-_Questions_page
pyrosailor99 Posted October 11, 2010 Author Posted October 11, 2010 How about here? LINK Follow the drop down in the product window to Potassium Nitrate. They definitely are still making 99% pure KNO3. http://www.pyroguide..._Questions_page Thank you all guys! Champion company seems to not export in my country... and Yara don't have the "krista-k plus" product in my "country catalog"it is available only "krista-k" (standard) that have different numbers. i attach the sheets:is the "standard" krista-k suitable, or at this point is better to buy 99% kno3 from some of eu seller?specsheet_krista_k_plus_fw.pdfyara krista-k.pdf
AdmiralDonSnider Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 (edited) Krista K is just a slightly less pure grade (which likely explains the slightly different numbers), but still about 99+% KNO3. It works fine! Most sellers are overprized (compared to the approximate 1Eur/kg when buying fertilizer grade). Edited October 11, 2010 by AdmiralDonSnider
pyrosailor99 Posted November 6, 2010 Author Posted November 6, 2010 In kista-k standard i read the presence of chloride... will that chloride make my bp more unstable in presence of sulfur or more unstable if mixed in other formulas that have sulfur or don't want chlorates?
kaizoku Posted November 6, 2010 Posted November 6, 2010 (edited) I can tell you this chlorate+sulfur (if it contains an acid) = super boom if the composition is burned/lit.But i do not know if that happens when it is mixed or when it is burned/lit.and i think most of the sulfur that is available contains an acidso i think it is unstable Edited November 6, 2010 by kaizoku
pyrosailor99 Posted November 6, 2010 Author Posted November 6, 2010 mmmh the datasheet says "chloride" ... you (and i in the end of my post) wrote "chlorate"... what is the difference? are both unstable? i now that sulfur + chlorate (or perchlorate) = danger / auto combustion / unstable mix but what about chloride??
kaizoku Posted November 6, 2010 Posted November 6, 2010 (edited) mmmh the datasheet says "chloride" ... you (and i in the end of my post) wrote "chlorate"... what is the difference? are both unstable? i now that sulfur + chlorate (or perchlorate) = danger / auto combustion / unstable mix but what about chloride?? no that won't be an problem chlorate yes pretty unstable and perchlorate is different but it could be possible and the difference woulde be ClO3(chlorate) and ClO(chloride)so chlorate has just 2 O molecules extra btw i almost forgot. try them in smal amounts try for example 5 or 10 grams or even less than that if you care that much about yourself Edited November 6, 2010 by kaizoku
rTr Posted November 6, 2010 Posted November 6, 2010 ClO- is hypochlorite. Chloride is Cl-. This being present in your fertilizer in a 0.xx percentage doesn't have any influence on the stability or performance of you BP.
zenen1 Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 im having the same problem.. well kinda. i cant find any good source of kno3. i live in canada so if there is any canadians here please help!
pyrogeorge Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) I use multi-k haifa kno3 and i haven't any problems.But the first think to make excellent BP is the charcoal. how can i know from this numbers if this is a GOOD kno3 source (that don't need to be purified) ? I would like to know,too Edited January 22, 2011 by pyrogeorge
rTr Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 For that you need to know what the numbers stand for. It's normally also noted on the bag. Often something like N-P-K xx-yy-zz where xx is the percentage of N and so on. Often you can also find the percentage of NO3- or rather the percentage of N which is present as NO3-. With this number you can calculate the purity of the product. From this site I can see that multi K classic has NPK 13-0-46 and if you click on it you see that is says Nitric Nitrogen (As N-NO3) % = 13.4(typical) 12.8(min). The multi K Top has NPK 13,8-0-46,5 and if you click on that you'll see: Nitric Nitrogen (As N-NO3) % = 13.8(typical) 13.4(min). I don't know which one you have (there are even more products) but I'll do the calculations for these two. For the calculations I'll take the minimum NO3- percentage. First: say the fertilizer is 100% KNO3, what's the percentage of the N as NO3 in that?Molar mass KNO3 = 39 + 14 + 3x16 = 101Molar mass N = 14percentage N as NO3 (all N is NO3)= 14/101*100% = 13,86% Now to know how pure the fertilizer is you just divide the percentage of N as NO3 from your product by the theoretical maximum and there you have it!Multi K-classic: N as NO3 = 12,8%(min) => 12,8/13,86*100% = 92,35% minimum (13,4/13,8*100% = 96,68% typical).Multi K-Top: N as NO3 = 13,4%(min) => 13,4/13,86*100% = 96,68% minimum and 13,8/13,86*100% = 99,57% typical.
pyrogeorge Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6233/dsc02077iz.th.jpg Uploaded with ImageShack.us that's the exactly numbers.
Bonny Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 im having the same problem.. well kinda. i cant find any good source of kno3. i live in canada so if there is any canadians here please help! It is hard to find in Canada. New regs a year or so ago made it somewhat restricted. You canb probably order from Ebay and likely slip "under the radar" but that would a risk to consider.
DasSchaben Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 You could try eBay, but the seller has a right to request your personal information and keep it on file for at least a year. As Bonny said, it's a risk, even in small quantities. It seems that most of the stores that were willing to ship to Canada (at your own risk) have pulled their ads. Mixtures containing KNO3 are legal. The pure substance isn't. I would say go with the Multi-K.
DasSchaben Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 I should add: if you can't find a certain brand, some stores are willing to take requests. I haven't been looking for fertilizer lately, but if I were I'd be SOL. Anything that might be useful is out of stock.
Bonny Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 You could try eBay, but the seller has a right to request your personal information and keep it on file for at least a year. As Bonny said, it's a risk, even in small quantities. It seems that most of the stores that were willing to ship to Canada (at your own risk) have pulled their ads. Mixtures containing KNO3 are legal. The pure substance isn't. I would say go with the Multi-K. The pure substance is still legal (just a hassle for buyers and sellers)...scroll down to the 1st pdf pages 7+ http://www.nrcan-rncan.gc.ca/mms-smm/expl-expl/com-com-eng.htm
DasSchaben Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 That's much more precise. Worth reading. Section 19 (page 8) of "Regulatory Impact..." specifically covers buyer regulations. (If you already have KNO3, store it safely in accordance with the law. Fair enough.)
Mumbles Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I was really hoping that link involved a nitre bed.
Bonny Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I was really hoping that link involved a nitre bed. Nothing like turning shit and piss into something great... I had set up a small nitre bed years ago, but never finished the experiment.
Peret Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 I was really hoping that link involved a nitre bed. That can be arranged!
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