AdmiralDonSnider Posted August 29, 2010 Posted August 29, 2010 Veline´s composite colors (such as Purple, Chartreuse) are usually mixed from four color base mixes (red, green, orange, blue). E.g. Veline Yellow is 55% by weight "green" and the rest "blue". This requires you to previously make up two compositions before you can blend them to get yellow. I sometimes found this a bit tedious and thus did some math on a rainy day to calculate the "direct" composite color formulas. Veline Yellow: Potassium perchlorate 41.25Barium nitrate 13.20Barium carbonate 8.25Cupric oxide 6.75Parlon 15.00Red gum 6.80Magnalium -200 mesh 8.75Dextrin 4.00 (add%) Veline Chartreuse: Potassium perchlorate 35.00Barium nitrate 19.20Barium carbonate 12.00Calcium carbonate 3.00Parlon 15.00Red gum 5.80Magnalium -200 mesh 10.00Dextrin 4.00 (add%) Veline Aqua: is obtained by replacing the 3% CaCO3 in the Chartreuse formula above with 3% Cupric oxide (CuO) Veline Turquoise: Potassium perchlorate 43.75Barium nitrate 10.80Barium carbonate 6.75Cupric oxide 8.25Parlon 15.00Red gum 7.20Magnalium -200 mesh 8.25Dextrin 4.00 (add%) The following formulas do not contain Veline´s Green, the only one of Velines formulas which uses an oxidizer to achieve its specific color. All composite formulas not containing the "green" are achieved by simply modifying the composition of the 15% color producing agents in the formula, while the remaining ingredients remain constant. I marked the variable contents (italic). Veline Rose Potassium perchlorate 55.0Strontium carbonate 7.5Cupric oxide 7.5Parlon 15.0Red gum 9.0Magnalium -200 mesh 6.0Dextrin 4.0 (add%) Veline Magenta Potassium perchlorate 55.0Strontium carbonate 12.0Cupric oxide 3.0Parlon 15.0Red gum 9.0Magnalium -200 mesh 6.0Dextrin 4.0 (add%) Veline Salmon Potassium perchlorate 55.00Strontium carbonate 3.75Cupric oxide 2.25Calcium carbonate 9.00Parlon 15.00Red gum 9.00Magnalium -200 mesh 6.00Dextrin 4.00 (add%) Veline Purple Potassium perchlorate 55.00Strontium carbonate 2.25Cupric oxide 12.00Calcium carbonate 0.75Parlon 15.00Red gum 9.00Magnalium -200 mesh 6.00Dextrin 4.00 (add%) Hope this is of use... 1
PersonGuyDude Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 I am actually in need of this right now, thanks!
dan999ification Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) very usefull for me, i found making a few comps to then mix them annoying and thought of doing this, on the plus side you have a few colours from two comps.forgive my critisism but isnt copper oxide an oxidizer and a colouring agent aswell? i know that copper carbonate can be used in its place, and that barium carbonate can be used for the green if you dont like the toxicity of the nitrate. dan. Edited January 30, 2012 by dan999ification
warthog Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Thank you! This will go in to my library for sure. I am a fan of the Veline System.
Mumbles Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 very usefull for me, i found making a few comps to then mix them annoying and thought of doing this, on the plus side you have a few colours from two comps.forgive my critisism but isnt copper oxide an oxidizer and a colouring agent aswell? i know that copper carbonate can be used in its place, and that barium carbonate can be used for the green if you dont like the toxicity of the nitrate. dan. Yes, copper oxide can act as an oxidizer in some instances. Generally this requires a metal fuel to really be noticeable. The same of course can be said of carbonates too. I'm also not sure where you got the idea that barium carbonate is any less toxic than the nitrate. It is every bit as toxic as the nitrate, and generally a finer powder so it may be more prone to becoming airborne and contaminating other surfaces.
dan999ification Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 thanks for helping to edit my mind , i thought it was less toxic but still toxic, i think i read it from veline's page on the system, i'll check.i will not be making any green stars any time soon, funny how you want what you cant have. dan.
psypuls Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 great contribution but some recipes have the wrong name and the first recipe is wrong (it should contain calcium carbonate), editing this to the proper names and correct the first recipe would make this a golden sticky in my opinion
FlaMtnBkr Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 I don't have the veline formulas handy as I'm not a big fan of the common colors. They seem a bit washed out in my experience, though some colors like magenta are supposedly pretty good. But it looks like there might be a few mistakes in those formulas. For one, yellow is a mix of green and red, not green and blue (which would make aqua). I think I would try to verify any formula you are interested in, with another source to make sure they match. It can be fairly easy to mess up a formula while transcribing it to a forum.
MrB Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 I think that is the correct formulas. Tried pasting it as text, but the formating would go all funky.B!
Mumbles Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Here's a novel idea. Let's correct it based on the originally published literature. If anyone would be kind enough to double-check I'd appreciate it. It's from Pyrocolor Harmony, a Designer's Guide by Joel Baechle for certain.
MrB Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 That's just crazy talk.But it's good Crazy talk. If i had it, that would be my reference. Is it were, all i had was the pyroguide i printscreened, and pasted above...B!
psypuls Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) I have recently discovered that this guy is not giving us the correct numbers,how he messed them up, I have no idea. For example why is parlon 15 when it's supposed to be 14 in every single veline recipe? Here is the correct calculated recipe for turquoise, now someone should go on with the next one. I don't wanna do all this work myself hehe. Potassium perchlorate 39.8Red gum 6.8Magnalium -200mesh 8.75black copper oxide 6.3Barium Nitrate 12.65Barium carbonate 7.7Parlon 14Dextrin 4 Again, from what I can see, we have to calculate these recipes all over again, don't trust this topic. It should be completely remade! Edited July 15, 2014 by psypuls
MrB Posted July 16, 2014 Posted July 16, 2014 All my material says 15 parts, or 14.42%. All my material is sadly, of course from the INTERNET.Anyway, the difference between 15 parts, and 15% is down to the 4 parts of dextring making the over all "104 parts".B!
psypuls Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Veline purple: 53 Kclo49 Redgum6 MgAl2,1 Strontium Carbonate0,7 Calcium Carbonate11,2 Black copper oxide14 Parlon4 Dextrin
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