welder1074 Posted July 21, 2010 Posted July 21, 2010 I keep hearing conflicting ideas on the hazards of flash. What does everyone think? Is there ways to decrease the dangerous part?
aftertheaftershock Posted July 21, 2010 Posted July 21, 2010 I keep hearing conflicting ideas on the hazards of flash. What does everyone think? Is there ways to decrease the dangerous part? Flash is a very sensitive subject here, obviously because of the dangers. Reasons are if you dont know what you are doing and are attempting to mix a 10g batch there goes your hand or worse... There are many other places that aren't so sensitive about flash that you can go to find out information on flash. If you are a kewl, try staying the hell out of the whole mess. But my personal advice if your knew to pyrotechnics is not even start thinking about flash yet but if you really think you are ready for flash try to research KNO3 based flash. It will help you gain respect and help you on your path to colors and higher grade flash. Also if you want to know why flash is so dangerous read up on death mixes in the saftey section of the site.
FrankRizzo Posted July 21, 2010 Posted July 21, 2010 Here's my take on flash powder. I would ponder a guess that ~98% of people involved in this hobby started out by making flash powder and salutes; I'm no exception, thump junkie to the core. Salutes are easy, relatively cheap, and give a decent thrill to both you and anyone you're trying to impress. However, virtually all of the folks that started this way try and steer newbies away from this behavior. I don't believe it's hypocritical, it's just that once you understand what you're doing, you realize that you did a lot of stupid shit that could have maimed you or worse, but you survived and want to avoid having someone else experience the pain that you magically avoided. At the end of the day it's really a statistics problem. ...my drunken rambling for the evening.
Alchemyst Posted July 21, 2010 Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) When you see movie like this , you feel how powerfull are some flash mix. Better not mess with it if you don't know what you are doing. Even a small batch of this is enough to hurt you. I'm a newbee on pyro, i have read about flash at the beginning of my learning but fortunately i have also read about the danger of it static electricity sensitive, shock friction sensitive . So i have decide to forget about it without even giving a try until i have better pyro skills. You'd better think twice before make stuff like that. Maybe simple Bp salute are not loud as flash but much more safe to do. Al. Edited July 21, 2010 by Alchemyst
welder1074 Posted July 21, 2010 Author Posted July 21, 2010 I am a newbie and am very thankfull for the advice from people who know alot more than me.
welder1074 Posted July 21, 2010 Author Posted July 21, 2010 What kind of skills and knowledge do I need to master in order to become a comptent saftey minded technician?
TheSidewinder Posted July 21, 2010 Posted July 21, 2010 What's even worse about that video above, is that the moron making it used Potassium Permanganate. That alone qualifies him as a "Darwin Award Nominee".
Cookieman Posted July 21, 2010 Posted July 21, 2010 It seems to me there are more people on Youtube making flash powder than their are making Fireworks!! Such a beautifull art, What a shame!
Weasel Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 (edited) What kind of skills and knowledge do I need to master in order to become a comptent saftey minded technician? http://www.creagan.n...afety_tips.html http://www.pyroguide...=General_safety There happens to be a whole section devoted to safety on this forum: http://www.amateurpy...forum/7-safety/ Read a lot. Don't start with flash. Edited July 23, 2010 by Weasel
Fly Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Man this gets Sooooooooooooo old.People wake the He11 up.Flash is part of pyro whether you like itor not.Yea I guess you can still call me a newbie.I'm 4 months into this.The post I made on Flash Photowas one to keep me safe. Do you think you are helping out ANYONE by not educating them on this subject.I'm not some kid tryingto make a bomb.But we all know flash can hurt you bad.When I was a kid you could buy M80's Cherry bombsect, before most of you were born. I as every other kid shot them.Sure we all need to tell the world about how bad flash can be.But like itor not it will be part of this hobby & it will be when you & I are both gone.Education is the only way to keep people safe. It is your duty & mine to help the newbe out.Saying he can learn about it some where else is the nothelping this hobby in any way shape or form.That same person blows him self up from not knowing,reflects on everyone of us. Sorry for my rant JMOHOP Fly
Mumbles Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 I think people are just starting to get a bit irked. There has been a recent wave of strictly flash or salute threads. I know you're fine, but not everyone has their head screwed on straight.
pyrochris732 Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Man this gets Sooooooooooooo old.People wake the He11 up.Flash is part of pyro whether you like itor not.Yea I guess you can still call me a newbie.I'm 4 months into this.The post I made on Flash Photowas one to keep me safe. Do you think you are helping out ANYONE by not educating them on this subject.I'm not some kid tryingto make a bomb.But we all know flash can hurt you bad.When I was a kid you could buy M80's Cherry bombsect, before most of you were born. I as every other kid shot them.Sure we all need to tell the world about how bad flash can be.But like itor not it will be part of this hobby & it will be when you & I are both gone.Education is the only way to keep people safe. It is your duty & mine to help the newbe out.Saying he can learn about it some where else is the nothelping this hobby in any way shape or form.That same person blows him self up from not knowing,reflects on everyone of us. Sorry for my rant JMOHOP Fly I think people are getting more irked when the kewls or whatever theyre called play it off as if they arent probing for information on flash. I think lots of people here are insulted by that.
Fly Posted July 28, 2010 Posted July 28, 2010 Mumbles I agree my friend.I respect you as much as anyone one on this form.You have helped all of us.The biggest problem I can see with the Pyro hobby is the lack of education when people come into this. I know I have spent countless hours of research as most of you have.None of us want ANYONE hurt.I think each of us need to keep people a where of the dangers of flash.But with that said I would notwant them to feel they could not ask you guy's for help on a safe way to handle it as I did. We are all in this together & we rely on each other to get the know how to mix this stuff in a safeor better way.Please let,s never forget that my friends Fly
Algenco Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 (edited) Fly, you brought make old memories, M-80's 72 for $10.I bought at least a thousand by the time I was 10 If I saw one of my grandkids with one, I'd probably have a heart attack!! Edited July 29, 2010 by Algenco
NightHawkInLight Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 (edited) This thread has gotten into deep water. MANY people play with flash well before they are ready to. Most do not get hurt before they get their heads screwed on straight, some do. MANY use it irresponsibly and end up in legal trouble, which creates bad press for us all, and pisses me off. NO other firework device has such harsh consequences on the pyro community. If you make salutes and sell them, transport them off your property without your type 54, or use them in any way that brings the public's eye on the rest of us in a negative way (I've never seen a positive result), I hope the hammer of the law comes crushing down on you. 99% of the time flash is used for nothing but salutes by beginners, and like it or not this is not the world it was 40 years ago. You make a 3g m80 and it's labeled a bomb, regardless of the intent. If anyone makes it any harder on the rest of us that are doing our best to advance the positive public perception of pyrotechnics, if I had the choice that person would never again be allowed near a match. Flash should not be touched by anyone until they have built two dozen successful shells and have the means to use it legally. By then, perhaps they will have enough respect for the art of pyrotechnics to be able to use flash and still be called an artist rather than a child looking for a quick thrill. Go play with high explosives if you just want to make booms, learn some science while you're at it. Leave pyrotechnics alone if that's what you're after. We have enough trouble. EDIT: Also, Anyka: You may feel it is best to describe how m80s are made in the safest possible way here, but regardless of your feelings, it is against forum rules to do so. Edited July 29, 2010 by NightHawkInLight
Mumbles Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 Anyka, I'll see how I am feeling in the morning, but chances are you are gone for good. That is completely unnecessary.
TSO Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 (edited) WTF? The first and last post by 2 different new members are identical? Right down to the grammar mistakes? Me thinks it might be time to put this thread to bed. Edited July 29, 2010 by TSO
optimus Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 Reported as spam - time to weild the ban-hammer methinks
mfstraydog1 Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 To be honest i don’t think there is a safe flash. In Our hobby every thing has a risk even when safety is paid attention to. All the safety notes in making flash should be observed. Safety in this hobby is Just like the rules and laws in the military they are all written in blood. That means some thing has gone wrong at one point or another. Don’t get me wrong I am not apposed to flash. I have been making it for years. But I have been taught how to make it properly by an old-timer. And I am always reviewing the safety notes when I make it just to make sure I don’t get complacent and get heart. But I feel flash is not for people new to this hobby. Most people miss use it which makes it harder for this hobby to survive. So my Question to you carry what do you mean by the dangerous part. As soon as the oxidizer is mixed in. the composition becomes sensitive to shock, static discharge, friction, and pressure. Even if it is a binary or three composition mix. Sorry if I am ranting but i feel like most others it is miss used and this hobby has paid for it.
50AE Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 No offense guys, but since I'm in this forum, only same and same things are talked about flash safety.
SekOner Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 @Anyka Posting instructions to making any ground salute using flash powder is NOT a good idea at all. yes you may have mentioned the safety procedures. But that goes COMPLETELY against the rules on APC. There are TON of places online where anyone can get information on making flash powder. your outburst was unnecessary, and irresponsible. and i cant see any reasons why you wont be banned.
dagabu Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 @Anyka Posting instructions to making any ground salute using flash powder is NOT a good idea at all. yes you may have mentioned the safety procedures. But that goes COMPLETELY against the rules on APC. There are TON of places online where anyone can get information on making flash powder. your outburst was unnecessary, and irresponsible. and i cant see any reasons why you wont be banned. Can you introduce yourself in introductions please?
Fly Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 @Anyka Posting instructions to making any ground salute using flash powder is NOT a good idea at all. yes you may have mentioned the safety procedures. But that goes COMPLETELY against the rules on APC. There are TON of places online where anyone can get information on making flash powder. your outburst was unnecessary, and irresponsible. and i cant see any reasons why you wont be banned. Well let me chime in for the last time on this & no more.I kind of agree with you on the making of the M-80.But this is some what of a two sided sword. Let's assume some one seeking info on making a large ground salute reads the post or better yet it's takenoff the form.Is he/she still going to make it?Most likely. So they ask there self? how much flash?Hummmmmmmmmmm?We know but they don't & add twice thethe amount.Or they screen it & it kills them.Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm Big headline on the news,Pyro killed self making fireworks at home. You tell us,did we help our hobby or did we move closer to the Fed's stepping in with more imposingrestrictions or worse stopping us altogether. Remember the ole saying.Be care full of what you wish for, for it may come to be. JMOHOP Fly
dagabu Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 Remember the ole saying.Be care full of what you wish for, for it may come to be. JMOHOP Fly Those are very good points and ones that we need to take to heart but just as important are the tenants of this forum. I have no issues with flash, talking about it, demonstrating its use and such. The issue is who (age) and where (location and legality) that concerns we the most. At PGI, we make ground bombs, they are perfectly legal to make and detonate there, few restrictions and they will put the biggest THUMP on your bones you can survive. The problem comes when novices use flash to destroy things, make fragmentation bombs with them and make boomers that call the attention on the police. If those that want to know about flash can curb their inner boomer long enough to realize that there are legal and safe ways to do so, the problem would not need to be addressed at all. My $.02
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