Wolter's one pound BP rocket kit ok for one pound rammed sugar rockets?

[gunner1]

Was looking online today for rocket tooling for one pound rammed sugar/KNO3 rockets and remembered seeing Wolter's Pyro tools had tooling for one pound black powder rockets. Would this be ok? I see it comes with interchangeable nozzles. Sorry, just double checked and it's United Nuclear with the changeable spindles. Edited June 6, 2010 by gunner1

[psyco_1322]

I have a pretty descent and clean burning formula for sugar rockets, and have tried to use a standard bp spindle. They just dont build enough thrust to fly, the nozzle needs to be smaller, then they would fly. Wolter could custom make you tooling if you knew what you wanted it like.

 

 

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Edited June 7, 2010 by psyco_1322

[WSM]

Was looking online today for rocket tooling for one pound rammed sugar/KNO3 rockets and remembered seeing Wolter's Pyro tools had tooling for one pound black powder rockets. Would this be ok? I see it comes with interchangeable nozzles. Sorry, just double checked and it's United Nuclear with the changeable spindles.

 

Hi Gunner1,

 

Try an end-burner with a 4:1 ratio as a starting point. I believe it will work for you. Sugar rockets can be tricky till you dial them in (be prepared for this). Good luck and share your results.

 

WSM

[dagabu]

Was looking online today for rocket tooling for one pound rammed sugar/KNO3 rockets and remembered seeing Wolter's Pyro tools had tooling for one pound black powder rockets. Would this be ok? I see it comes with interchangeable nozzles. Sorry, just double checked and it's United Nuclear with the changeable spindles.

 

How about free?

 

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[AdmiralDonSnider]

Now am I right that these "BP rocket kits" from Wolter are intended to be used with rocket fuel (6:3:1 or so)? Just wanted to go sure before I buy one...

[dagabu]

While I am sure that you have done your homework on tooling, you may wish to give the Universal Tooling another look. The BP tooling is pretty specific in its fuel type (Fuse Powder or 6:3:1) and will CATO with faster fuel.

 

The UT can be used as both nozzleless or with clay nozzles, can use hot whistle all the way down to Fuse Powder. They can use 11 fuels so far with more to come.

[Mumbles]

All wolter tools come with instructions and suggested formulas. 6:3:1 is probably the base to start with, but there is room for experimentation and tuning.

[AdmiralDonSnider]

Thanks guys! I will take a closer look, thanks Dagabu.

 

Those Wolter tools look so nice; I´m pretty sure I will soon have some other stuff and sizes coming if everything goes right this time. Tooling really is a good investment. The seventh bag of perc doesn´t make sense if you don´t have the means to convert all those chems into a show.

 

Edit: now what´s the secret of this hybrid tooling? Wouldn´t whistle mix just blow up when using such a large soul?

Edited August 25, 2010 by AdmiralDonSnider

[pyrokid]

All wolter tools come with instructions and suggested formulas. 6:3:1 is probably the base to start with, but there is room for experimentation and tuning.

 

For anyone who has bought from wolter tools, I ordered the 1 pound core burner set on monday (the 23rd), and I haven't heard anything yet. From my other transactions with various pyro dealers I have come to expect an automated order confirmation. I am a little frightened that they haven't confirmed the order yet. Perhaps I am being a little impatient, I have never ordered form wolter before so I don't know what to expect. What are your experiences when ordering from them?

 

I am not bashing wolter, I have heard nothing but good things about them, I am just looking for some reassurence. Thanks guys.

Edited August 25, 2010 by pyrokid

[dagabu]

For anyone who has bought from wolter tools, I ordered the 1 pound core burner set on the monday (the 23rd), and I haven't heard anything yet. From my other transactions with various pyro dealers I have come to expect an automated order confirmation. I am a little frightened that they haven't confirmed the order yet. Perhaps I am being a little impatient, I have never ordered form wolter before so I don't know what to expect. What are your experiences when ordering from them?

 

I am not bashing wolter, I have heard nothing but good things about them, I am just looking for some reassurence. Thanks guys.

 

LOL!

 

This is post-PGI week. They are just getting everything put back on the shelves and starting on the orders they picked up at PGI. Call Rich directly, 1-608-297-9402. He (or Claudia) will give you your answers.

 

BTW- All of you that like Wolter tooling, try Ben Smith at Firesmith Tools and see what his prices are. His work is on par if not better then Wolters and they both send work to each other so you will not offend one over the other.

[pyrokid]

LOL!

 

This is post-PGI week. They are just getting everything put back on the shelves and starting on the orders they picked up at PGI. Call Rich directly, 1-608-297-9402. He (or Claudia) will give you your answers.

 

BTW- All of you that like Wolter tooling, try Ben Smith at Firesmith Tools and see what his prices are. His work is on par if not better then Wolters and they both send work to each other so you will not offend one over the other.

 

Thanks for the quick reply dagabu, I totally understand a little delay after pgi.

 

I think I would have gone crazy thinking about that nice rocket tooling and wondering where it was.

[Cookieman]

I think for $114.00 on a 1lb, $131.00 on a 2lb and $157.00 on a 3lb hybrid universal kit from Wolter tools you can't go wrong. Considering you can make 6 types of motors with that kit, I think it is the best bang for your buck and you'll know you will be getting good quality tooling.

[dagabu]

I think for $114.00 on a 1lb, $131.00 on a 2lb and $157.00 on a 3lb hybrid universal kit from Wolter tools you can't go wrong. Considering you can make 6 types of motors with that kit, I think it is the best bang for your buck and you'll know you will be getting good quality tooling.

 

True as that may be, I'll have Ben Smith make my tooling from here on out. BTW- There are now 11 fuels that can be used with the UT.

[Siegmund]

Given the availability of the combo set, is there any reason someone would not buy it, and opt for one of the single-purpose sets?

[WonderBoy]

Dagabu and others, the H-U tooling is not the only tooling that allows the use of different fuels. I have used standard BP tooling to produce, I believe, every motor that is possible on the H-U except for the hybrid motor, and that is simply because I have not had time to test it yet. All it takes is some testing to adjust the fuel for your specific tooling.

 

Jeff

[Sarc0x12]

Im sorry if this is completely off topic ,but i was wondering if a 19.05mm rammer would fit into a 19mm tube

[dagabu]

Dagabu and others, the H-U tooling is not the only tooling that allows the use of different fuels. I have used standard BP tooling to produce, I believe, every motor that is possible on the H-U except for the hybrid motor, and that is simply because I have not had time to test it yet. All it takes is some testing to adjust the fuel for your specific tooling.

 

Jeff

 

If that is a bet, Ill take you on

 

Seriously, the UT is by far a superior design for use with various fuels. The BP set is great for BP but falls way behind in the other fuels and that has been tried thousands of times by just about everyone that comes to the dark side.

 

I find it interesting that of all the fuels, the hybrid fuel would be the most suitable for the BP tooling when used without a clay nozzle.

[dagabu]

Given the availability of the combo set, is there any reason someone would not buy it, and opt for one of the single-purpose sets?

 

Yes, there is no comparison when it comes to BP rockets lifting shells where a big tail is wanted. The UT cannot hold the same amount of fuel (charcoal) and thus the tail is lacking. UT uses a nozzle almost twice the area of the BP tooling and almost a full third of fuel is lost because of this. One way to combat this is to add a lot of metal to the increments above the spindle that are used for the delay phase.

 

The trade off is thrust.

 

Posted thrust curves show that BP tooling starts slowly and builds to the spike. Almost 1/2 of the fuel is burned away before the flame leaves the rack. This means that the motor is not able to lift the same weight as a faster fuel and the guidance stick has to be longer since the lift is much slower.

 

Tests this summer have shown that less then 12" of guidance stick can be used on rockets that have an immediate pressure spike while BP rockets need a stick almost three time longer to make stable flight. I have a few videos of this effect but I will need permission (of the authors) to post them here.

 

If one is to make rockets, I suggest that a full "Bag of Clubs" be used. It makes no sense to use a pitching wedge to drive nor would a 3 wood be very helpful for putting. Everything has its place.

[new2pyro]

Dag, where can I get info on the different fuels? I'm considering a 3 lb set from Ben and I'm not sure of all the comps. Lot's of discussion on passfire but no one really gives the comps outside of the usual whistle, hybrid bp, or hot bp, strobe. Where you come up with 11? By the way, my bp 1lb coreburners is 70/10/10/10/ No catos. I press to 7ooo psi on the comp. Edited September 12, 2010 by new2pyro

[WonderBoy]

On Passfire search for the "Developing Spec's for Universal Tooling" thread; close to the end someone posted a searchable list of the spec's for 8 or 9 of the motors

[new2pyro]

thanks I must of missed that. I'm on there almost every day too.

[Juiceh]

http://www.amateurpy...dpost__p__69007

 

The United Nuclear coreburner BP tooling WILL work for 1lb rammed sugar rockets!

Edited October 9, 2010 by Juiceh