KNO3

[Mumbles]

I'm actually involved in some chemical nitrogen fixation research. It's more from a catalytic point of view, but it's all interrelated. One of the cooler things I've seen was some research into using urea as an ammonia feedstock. If you can start from a partially fixed waste product, you can save a lot of energy.

 

I like it, I get to use all sorts of explosive nitrogen donors. It takes me back to when I fell in love with chemistry.

[Pyropow3r]

you guys should have all head about obamas new reform... he want all thing potentially explosive or pyro and the like off the market within the next 4 years!!! he also is encouraging other states to follow his new reform aswell .... so by the looks of it we will be feeling the full brunt of this reform within the next few years but HOPEFULLY he is only referring to HE'S like ammonium nitrate - hydrogen peroxide - hexamine - acetone-and various acids like nitric and sulfuric so with a bit of luck innocent oxidizers like kno3 will still be available all we can do is pray......

[frosty90]

you guys should have all head about obamas new reform... he want all thing potentially explosive or pyro and the like off the market within the next 4 years!!! he also is encouraging other states to follow his new reform aswell .... so by the looks of it we will be feeling the full brunt of this reform within the next few years but HOPEFULLY he is only referring to HE'S like ammonium nitrate - hydrogen peroxide - hexamine - acetone-and various acids like nitric and sulfuric so with a bit of luck innocent oxidizers like kno3 will still be available all we can do is pray......

 

I think you guys have little to worry about. As ralph said, you guys are incredibly well stocked. here in the land down under, things are essentially impossible. We dont have skylighter etc. We cant get 25kg bags of ammonium perchlorate, potassium perchlorate, barium nitrate (I have said this in another forum, but a chemical supplier here wanted $420 for 5 kg of barium nitrate!even if I wanted to pay that much they would not sell it to me anyway! I bet you guys can buy it for $5 a kilo and think thats daylight robbery!). But potassium nitrate is still not too difficult to get, it is quite a widely used chemical. Its not so much that here these chemicals are 'illegal' or what ever, they arent, but they dont have too many uses. Since no big business here uses them, (except KNO3), no one imports it, so it just isnt there.

 

One thing that surprised me most of all was I can buy as much 70% nitric as I like, no questions asked! (sulfuric and hydrochloric too....) So if nitrate becomes unobtainium, I can at least make it still! the phone call went something like this: "barium nitrate is $420 for 5kg, but we cannot sell you barium nitrate without an abn (business registration number) and purchase order" "ok what about 70% nitric acid" "yep, do you want 2 litres, 5 litres, or 10 litres, and what time do you want to collect it?" (the same place will not sell me elemental sulfur, or platinum wire! without a business number) Now I have it I cannot be bothered to use it to make barium nitrate!

 

Getting K nitrate was a little round-about because it is considered a 'ballistics precursor', but it turns out that even here in Aus, where things are most restriced, there is no part of the law saying ' a member of the public cannot be in possesion of or purchase potassium nitrate, perchlorate, picric acid.....etc" most suppliers however seem to limit who they sell it to, on recomendation of the 'drug/bomb' department, I suspect mainly to cover their own (the suppliers) behind.

 

You guys got nothing to worry about I suspect......

 

 

Jesse

[Ralph]

making barium nitrate with nitric acid is child's play you should get out and do it. we arnt allowed picric acid with out permits if im not mistaken

[Vrizla]

I think you guys have little to worry about. As ralph said, you guys are incredibly well stocked. here in the land down under, things are essentially impossible. We dont have skylighter etc. We cant get 25kg bags of ammonium perchlorate, potassium perchlorate, barium nitrate (I have said this in another forum, but a chemical supplier here wanted $420 for 5 kg of barium nitrate!even if I wanted to pay that much they would not sell it to me anyway! I bet you guys can buy it for $5 a kilo and think thats daylight robbery!). But potassium nitrate is still not too difficult to get, it is quite a widely used chemical. Its not so much that here these chemicals are 'illegal' or what ever, they arent, but they dont have too many uses. Since no big business here uses them, (except KNO3), no one imports it, so it just isnt there.

 

One thing that surprised me most of all was I can buy as much 70% nitric as I like, no questions asked! (sulfuric and hydrochloric too....) So if nitrate becomes unobtainium, I can at least make it still! the phone call went something like this: "barium nitrate is $420 for 5kg, but we cannot sell you barium nitrate without an abn (business registration number) and purchase order" "ok what about 70% nitric acid" "yep, do you want 2 litres, 5 litres, or 10 litres, and what time do you want to collect it?" (the same place will not sell me elemental sulfur, or platinum wire! without a business number) Now I have it I cannot be bothered to use it to make barium nitrate!

 

Getting K nitrate was a little round-about because it is considered a 'ballistics precursor', but it turns out that even here in Aus, where things are most restriced, there is no part of the law saying ' a member of the public cannot be in possesion of or purchase potassium nitrate, perchlorate, picric acid.....etc" most suppliers however seem to limit who they sell it to, on recomendation of the 'drug/bomb' department, I suspect mainly to cover their own (the suppliers) behind.

 

You guys got nothing to worry about I suspect......

 

 

Jesse

 

I think we have a lot to worry about. In the USA big brother is bigger then ever. They are starting to dictate every aspect of our lives. Not to mention the consumer product safety jerks would like to see all consumer fireworks banned. Just look at how many stated you can't even buy novelty fireworks. Everyone who really loves this hobbie should start to learn how to make the own oxidizers. Fist off I think it fun and exciting, plus it may become the norm. And Arthur its not just booms that irritate neighbors and legislators. I cant do anything at my house any more My damn Communist neighbors will complain if they see a large fountain hear anything crackle or whistle. And I live out in the country and we a far apart from one another. But its ok for them to have large drunken parties take up the whole street and constantly have their dog running in the road. Thank you for everyone contributing to this post and information on the subject.

[Arthur]

OK so you need a bio science specialist to publish an optimised bio nitrate production system. Wood ash and bio nitrate supplied the needs of the early artificers. Just optimise the bio side of things for best production.