Timed Reports

[dagabu]

Screw the Agora, it doesn't work!!

 

I am putting a buy together for end caps for timed reports and will likely have them available for $50.00 a thousand plus shipping. I am starting the order at 5000 and as more people want them, the price per 1000 will go down.

 

The end caps are .218" ID x 1.5" long and a .038" wall, color is yellow unless you want another color but they will need to be in lots of 5M.

 

 

The end caps are simply filled with vitamin-F (1 gram) and a primed piece of time fuse is super glued into the cap and the other end is topped with some strands of black match tied over the end. Ring reports, barrack and snail shells can be made with this method. I will be putting a tutorial together with the authors help in the near future.

 

Please send inquires to coldfire11@msn.com

 

I have had pre-orders of over 10,000 pieces so far, the price is down to $45.00 a thousand!

 

Sidewinder, Mumbles, the Agora is broken, you can put this there if you need to but I need to be able to find it

Edited January 17, 2010 by dagabu

[KruseMissile]

would i be able to buy a 1/4 lot? I dont make alot of timed salutes and it would just be for fun. Thanks

Brian

[Richtee]

You DO know Agora posts need to be approved? Just saying...

[swervedriver]

Nice, funny thing is I've got some samples on the way to me as of yesterday. Great minds think alike. TR's rocket headers are amazing, I want to give that timefuse/end cap method a try as well

[dagabu]

Nice, funny thing is I've got some samples on the way to me as of yesterday. Great minds think alike. TR's rocket headers are amazing, I want to give that timefuse/end cap method a try as well

 

Swerve, Who is your seller? I got my quote from Moplug.com, they are starting to look a little high. I would like to bring the price down for us all.

[swervedriver]

I ordered them from here- http://www.carlisleplastics.com/products/round.htm

 

Edit- they mailed out the "semi-flexible" .218 diameter caps 2 days ago, I can give you feedback on the material when I get it if you want me to.

Edited January 17, 2010 by swervedriver

[dagabu]

I ordered them from here- http://www.carlisleplastics.com/products/round.htm

 

I really appreciate it, any help to drive the price down for all of us is great!

 

In looking at the materials I too thought that this was not vinyl but it turns out it is, just a different family name. PVC- PolyVINYL Chloride. I think the material is the same but if you would be willing to do some research before I make the order, it would help a lot.

 

Dave

[dagabu]

Everyone,

 

The cap plugs will be yellow and special ordered, you can find black plugs for less but they are problematic for two reasons.

 

1. The black caps are really hard to find the next day if you don't get fire to the flash, yellow is much easier to find and you get in less trouble since kids don't pick them up and put them in their pockets.

 

2. The black caps are a bear to mark on, I have a small bag of them and even the paint markers wipe off with use. A black Sharpie works great on the yellow ones an dis permanent.

 

The length is pretty critical, a 1" cap may work to hold the flash and the time fuse but when the shell breaks, the cap may tear off. I prefer an 1.5" of tube to play with so I can keep the flash uncompressed and the time fuse stuck on really good!

[Twotails]

If i had some free cash right now, I'd say put me down for an order of 1000. When's the Order due by?

[Ventsi]

Dave, as you know I'm interested, a few Q's though:

 

These are plastic, right? What type of plastic are they?

 

Also 0.218-7/32 seems like it might be a bit tight for time fuse...

 

Is there a minimum order? And what does 5M mean?

[dagabu]

Dave, as you know I'm interested, a few Q's though:

 

These are plastic, right? What type of plastic are they?

 

Also 0.218-7/32 seems like it might be a bit tight for time fuse...

 

Is there a minimum order? And what does 5M mean?

 

The plugs are made from vinyl and are made to fit time fuse (Jap, Chinese and Vulcan) are .220-.224" so the .218 caps will close tightly around the TF to keep the passfire out.

 

M is a notation for thousand, 25M = 25 thousand.

 

Please mail me at coldfire11@msn.com for orders, no orders will be taken on APC, if you sent a PM to me, please send an email to order.

 

Mumbles will be putting the thread into the Agora soon so don't loose track of it. You can ask for nay amount you want, the shipping may be high and there will be a repackaging fee but if you want ten caps, I will do it. Overseas too, I can ship caps anywhere, no prohibitions on vinyl caps!

 

D

[Miech]

Isn't M from 'mega', the SI suffix for a million? I thought k was for thousand, being derived from 'kilo'.

For example a 4k7 resistor is 4700 ohm, a 4M7 is 4700000 ohm.

[rocket]

Isn't M from 'mega', the SI suffix for a million? I thought k was for thousand, being derived from 'kilo'.

For example a 4k7 resistor is 4700 ohm, a 4M7 is 4700000 ohm.

 

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, when i first saw it I couldn't get my head around it, didn't make sence.

The only reason I can think of why M was used is because its one thousand in roman numerals.

[dagabu]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, when i first saw it I couldn't get my head around it, didn't make sence.

The only reason I can think of why M was used is because its one thousand in roman numerals.

 

You know us Yanks, we have crazy measurements, rods are the measurement for distance when walking over land between lakes, fruit is measured in bushels and pecks.

 

Then there is the difference between tonne, ton, metric and standard, blah, blah, blah.

 

I frankly have no idea what M stands for, its on my quote and I just copied it. I would use K as well for thousand but usually only for money.

[Bonny]

I frankly have no idea what M stands for, its on my quote and I just copied it. I would use K as well for thousand but usually only for money.

 

M comes from the Roman numeral M for 1000. See here:http://bing.search.sympatico.ca/?q=quantity%20measurement%20M&mkt=en-ca&setLang=en-CA

I had assumed French (a Roman language descendant) mille for 1000. Or millimeter (1/1000 of a meter)

[dagabu]

I have 2 samples on their way. Go and mic your time fuse and let me know what OD it is, I will be ordering the cap that fits best. The price is coming down too! It looks like we will be running $30.00 or so a thousand and may go lower if I get more interest.

 

D

[swervedriver]

I got some samples today from alliance plastics. I forgot I put in for a sample from them. They sent me some LDPE .250 caps, to large of diameter for the chinese fuse I have, loose and sliding off. The LDPE material Feels good at first being only slightly flexible, but seems to split somewhat when I squeeze it, I don't think the LDPE material is a good choice for that reason.

 

Also some "soft black vinyl-type" caps made of EPDM. These might to soft and flexible, only a test would tell. They are easy to squeeze, similar to fishtank air pump tubing. Also these were .223 diameter which was a fairly snug fit and had to be stretched over the time fuse, but .218 would be even better.

 

.218" is the right size. My chinese time fuse measures .235" in diameter.

 

$30/thousand or less? w00t, way to go dagabu

[dagabu]

I got some samples today from alliance plastics. I forgot I put in for a sample from them. They sent me some LDPE .250 caps, to large of diameter for the chinese fuse I have, loose and sliding off. The LDPE material Feels good at first being only slightly flexible, but seems to split somewhat when I squeeze it, I don't think the LDPE material is a good choice for that reason.

 

Also some "soft black vinyl-type" caps made of EPDM. These might to soft and flexible, only a test would tell. They are easy to squeeze, similar to fishtank air pump tubing. Also these were .223 diameter which was a fairly snug fit and had to be stretched over the time fuse, but .218 would be even better.

 

.218" is the right size. My chinese time fuse measures .235" in diameter.

 

$30/thousand or less? w00t, way to go dagabu

 

AND getting better! The material will be PVC vinyl, elasticity is 200% meaning that they will open up to almost 3/4".

[Ventsi]

I dunno guys. I want some of these but I'm a bit wary of using plastic for anything. Swerve can you post a picture of these?

Plus, I would think only the hardest, densest plastic wold be a go-go.

 

Something such as High Impact Polystyrene, or polyoxymethylene, that is IF they can do so.

[swervedriver]

Sure bud, here ya go. The black is a poor choice of color for the good reason stated by dagabu. I didn't even think of that.

 

[TheSidewinder]

Actually, since this is a "Group Buy", we'll leave it here.

[dagabu]

Plus, I would think only the hardest, densest plastic wold be a go-go.

 

I understand the thought pattern, "Spiking shells allows for confinement, allowing the burn to spread throughout the entire shell before rupture lessening the chance of blind stars."

 

The truth is that because of the small cavity in the cap, the tendency is to jet the cap off when lit if a hard plastic is used or worse yet, break the cap causing a small pop to occur.

 

The cap is made from a flexible material not only to accommodate the fitting on to the time fuse but also to allow the fire to pass to the entire flash load so that all of the fuel is consumed instead of blowing some of it away from the chamber.

 

This can be witnessed by looking at fire crackers after they are expended. There is a light grey powder (flash) on some surfaces, this happens because the holding vessel bursts before complete ignition.

 

Vincent, I will send you some after we get our purchase and you can write a humble apology to the originator of these little devices. (its a joke people )

[dagabu]

I dunno guys. I want some of these but I'm a bit wary of using plastic for anything.

 

I agree, I will shoot in fields that I can police the day after and pick these little YELLOW things up and throw away. I also use plastic ball shells (now we see who hugs trees around here) and pick up the larger fragments the next day also.

[Bonny]

I agree, I will shoot in fields that I can police the day after and pick these little YELLOW things up and throw away. I also use plastic ball shells (now we see who hugs trees around here) and pick up the larger fragments the next day also.

 

 

I also stay away from plastic due to the mess. Paper only for me.

[Ventsi]

Is there anyone who successfully uses these? I remember seeing some photos of reverse spiral salutes that looked like the might have been with these caps but I just can't find them