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[pa_pyro]

Hehe, I'm making a 200$ order from firefox for a present to myself, I have lots of relatives that give monery.

[h0lx]

I could get you sodium azide, but I don't know how. The shipping of NaN3 is most probably restricted. Oh and I don't have paypal, because credit cards are hated around here, we use debit. Cash transfer would be another thing tho. You could contact me about other chems aswell.

[DeAdFX]

h0lx I sent you a pm...

 

Anywho wow this alcohol I distilled awhile back isn't agreeing with me to much. I just had a serious case of mudd butt.

[oriansbelt]

Has anyone heard a pyro use for aluminum ammonium sulfate? I found some in my garage since we moved and I have no idea what to do with it. Also my searching came up with zilch exsept that it can also be called ammonium alum. thax

[Frozentech]

Has anyone heard a pyro use for aluminum ammonium sulfate? I found some in my garage since we moved and I have no idea what to do with it. Also my searching came up with zilch exsept that it can also be called ammonium alum. thax

Not really. You could probably toss a couple teaspoons in a quart of wheat paste and make it last a little longer without going sour, but sodium benzoate or sodium salicylate already do that job well. As a last ditch you could rub some in your armpits when you are sweaty.

[rocket]

I got some Ti shaving today and I’m just wondering weather the shavings are to large. I can’t get it the light with a blow torch, the finer stuff can though but it has to be hair fine to light.

 

Here are some pics of the shaving, what do you guys think?

 

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k300/ber0006/Ti3.jpg

 

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k300/ber0006/Ti2.jpg

 

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k300/ber0006/Ti4.jpg

 

Here are the largest shavings

 

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k300/ber0006/Ti1.jpg

[DeAdFX]

Those are pretty big. I have some magnesium shavings from fire fox and they are about the same size to a little bigger as your smallest Ti shavings. Maybe a few hours in the ball mill might your Ti mroe suitable for pyro?

[ewest]

I don't think you can ball mill Ti, it's pretty hard stuff. Those bigger shavings you could maybe shave down with a file.

[Mumbles]

Eastern Europe I do believe. Lithiuania or Estonia I want to say.

[DeAdFX]

No credit cards one less reason to get into debt...

[oriansbelt]

As a last ditch you could rub some in your armpits when you are sweaty.

thax I'll keep that in mind, lol.

[Mumbles]

Fresh off the PML press. Just thought I'd share.

 

 

 

 

In the Firefox/CPSC case, on December 6, 2006, the judge issued a ruling.

 

The judge directed both parties to negotiate a mutually acceptable plan for

enforcement of the regulations and applicable law which CPSC has authority

to enforce.

 

What that means is that CPSC and Firefox must reach an agreement on which

chemicals and supplies are to be limited in sales to non-ATF license

holders, and what quantities will be allowed to each purchaser.

 

The judge set a deadline of January 15, 2007 to present the agreed-upon

compromise to him. It is possible that this deadline could be extended an

additional 30 to 90 days if need be.

 

The judge indicated that he does not want to see Firefox forced out of

business. The judge has instructed both the government and Firefox that if

they fail to reach an agreement, he will make the decision. The judge has

stated explicitly that it is in the parties' best interests to reach a

compromise agreement--meaning that it is in both parties' mutual interests

for them to decide what to do rather than the judge.

 

What does this mean for our hobby?

 

1) Whatever we get, it will almost certainly be better than what the CPSC

wanted, but less than what Firefox would want. Given that the judge has

indicated his willingness to consider lesser restrictions than CPSC desired

to impose, we are hopeful. But it is too soon to know the final outcome.

And there is a very real possibility of further expensive and time-consuming

legal action. In the short-term, we must prepare thoroughly for the

upcoming negotiations, including creative approaches that might satisfy

CPSC's desire to ensure that pyrotechnic materials are only used in an

acceptable manner.

 

2) The fireworks hobby community will have input, either via negotiations

with CPSC or via submission to the judge, in the final outcome.

 

3) If a mutually acceptable negotiation is reached, our hobby will continue.

But, whether a negotiated settlement is reached or the judge himself

decides, it is inevitable that quantities of some chemicals available to

non-ATF licensed buyers will be reduced.

 

What do we need to do next?

 

1) The case is not over. We still have huge expenses ahead as we enter into

negotiations. Please make a contribution to the Fireworks Foundation. We do

not want to falter now that we are entering the home stretch. We absolutely

need more funding.

 

2) If you know federally elected or appointed officials with potential

influence at or upon CPSC, please contact John Steinberg, Tom Handel, or

Harry Gilliam immediately. Contact information below.

 

3) Please join the Fireworks Alliance if you have not already done so. This

will be the basis of our future efforts as we continue our long range goals

of working to develop a better regulatory climate for our hobby. Go to

http://www.fireworksalliance.com and sign up there. It's free.

 

The PGI Board of Directors, the Board of the Fireworks Alliance, and the

Trustees of the Fireworks Foundation want to thank each and every one of you

who has contributed time, money or effort to this matter so far. You have

made it possible for the Firefox case to get this far. Although the case is

not over yet, and there is still much legal work to be done on it, we want

you to know that you have truly made a difference to the fireworks hobby.

Without the strong showing we made enabled by the funding you provided to

defend this matter aggressively, FireFox would have been compelled to enter

into an agreement, crafted unilaterally by the CPSC, that would have

effectively ended their business and quite possibly our hobby years ago.

[asilentbob]

Yep, I saw that up on rec.pyrotechnics yesterday... Makes me want to place an order now while it is still under current law and not this new agreement...

[Bug_X]

How will this affect the purchaser outside the USA who wont to buy from firefox?

 

/ Bug

[ewest]

I would say you would be under the same restrictions as the people here in the U.S. buying from Firefox. They're based and are selling out of the U.S. so the restrictions would apply to all their customers regardless of where it's actually being shipped.

 

For sure we'll be limited in flash grade Aluminum, and possibly Potassium Perchlorate. The latter one being the problem because Perchlorate is in EVERYTHING just about.

[cplmac]

I think most if not all chemicals will still be available, but in very limited quantities per year. It would not surprise me to see a limit of one pound a year of flash aluminum and five pounds a year of perch/chlorate. There will likely be a new system put in place that registers customers federally and tracks their purchases so they can determine if a customer or supplier has broken the new rules. My question is, what ATF licenses in particular do they want? The ATF has already stated that hobby pyro is not something they regulate, i.e. you do not need a manufacturing license to build for yourself. That is under the assumption that you do not distribute, sell or make available to others your creations, and that if you do not use them they are stored in approved magazines. This is going to suck when all is said and done, the rules in place are already about as fair as we could have hoped for, they only go one direction from here.

[cplmac]

Mumbles the time stamps are all out of whack here.

[Mumbles]

That happened to me a few times a couple weeks ago. I'd see posts theoretically in the future. I think it was just a small glitch, and a temporary thing. Mine are fine for me now.

 

As for the question about international firefox customers. I don't think it will affect you very much because most of the things they want to regulate can't be shipped over international borders in the first place. The same quantity restrictions will still apply though regardless of locale.

[ewest]

My question is, what ATF licenses in particular do they want? The ATF has already stated that hobby pyro is not something they regulate, i.e. you do not need a manufacturing license to build for yourself. That is under the assumption that you do not distribute, sell or make available to others your creations, and that if you do not use them they are stored in approved magazines.

While that's all true, if I read the code correctly, You still need a Type 20 Manufacturer of High Explosives just to make any flash.

 

All other fireworks are a gray area. You can buy the components and chemicals and even have them laying around the house. BUT once you assemble them you need to either shoot them immediately or put them in an explosives magazine and that's where they get the hobbyist. However just the act of making flash is illegal if you don't have a Type 20.

 

At least that's the way I understand it.

 

And 5lbs/year of Perch sucks ass. I used 5lbs in the last couple weeks just making red stars. I hope they don't hold us to that. Skylighter does right now, but Firefox currently has no limit on it.

[jacob]

man, i hope they don't limit perclorate, that would be bad, it IS in everything, however the dark al i don't care so much about as that is only good for flash, 1-2 lbs a year is plenty. i gess we'l just have to wait and see.

[DeAdFX]

Is the purchase limit of dark aluminum based on the day you purchased it or year? for example... Say I buy 2lbs of flash aluminum on december 31st does that mean I can buy 2 more lbs on janurary 1st of the new year or can I only purchase more flash aluminum next year (dec 31?).

 

 

Btw I just got my grades in... Not bad four A's and one B.

[Mumbles]

I don't think they would let you get away with that. However they don't very strictly enforce the rule. I think it is supposed to be 1 calander year, as in 2lbs per 365 days.

[RUUUUUN]

Started production for the nicely sized noise show I am planning for New years eve.

 

Got some ETN cooking up at the moment

 

I have ben so stinking busy since school started I have only been able to manufacture a press and make some BP, it feels good to be synthing some HE again, Well, I did make one batch of EGDN in october.

 

Anyone else planning anything special for New years eve?

[itwasntme]

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Anyone else planning anything special for New years eve?

I am not planning much. Probably just some rockets, smokes, salutes, and some shells. Small stuff though. I hate ramming rockets, but shells arent that hard to make, and salutes are easy and not much mess. I might make fountains and colored ones if my chems arrive soon. Oh well, I want to see what everyone else is making, so post!

[_DB_]

I won't be making any fireworks. I've been on a break from pyro the past few months, mainly because of school and I haven't really been motivated to make anything lately. I haven't quit the hobby now, I think that's impossible to do completely!

 

I'm sure I'll get back into it later in the year though. Also, alcohol consumption is on the NYE agenda, so maybe it's best that I won't be making anything...