FrKoNaLeaSh1010 Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 I know one thing you can do with them.....take the names...and type them into google and hit enter....that will give you something to do involving them and then you would be searching not just asking to be spoonfed.
Frozentech Posted May 7, 2006 Posted May 7, 2006 Bah, damn computer (power supply blew up and took out my mobo and video card) Anyways I got a better look at the fertalizer and its a 12-2-14 blend. Should work? Also, theres Copper Sulfate, Copper Hydroxide, and Formaldihyde over there. Any fun things you can do with them? Don't find chemicals, then look for a purpose. Find a project, then obtain the chemicals.
Douchermann Posted May 8, 2006 Posted May 8, 2006 I'd grab them all now since they are all indeed useful for something. You want to grab stuff while its offered as it might not be offered when you finally need it.
SpikedCola Posted May 9, 2006 Author Posted May 9, 2006 Consider them grabbed. I tried boiling water and mixing in some kno3 fertalizer. As much as possible, actually. Its now cooling in the fridge. We'll see how it turns out, or if it works at all!
teknix Posted May 9, 2006 Posted May 9, 2006 If your using KNO3 to soak into the paper it will work ok but it won't burn really fast...more like a fuse. The chlorate will burn a lot faster.
dragonman586 Posted May 9, 2006 Posted May 9, 2006 Would potassium chlorate or perclorate work well for this? I'd figure that percholrate would work better because ther peroxides will be let off easier. Is that last statement of mine even right? Correct me if I'm wrong please! I'm still learning.
Pyrohawk Posted May 9, 2006 Posted May 9, 2006 Peroxides?? Where do you find peroxide at in KClO4?? Or am I missing something here?
Mumbles Posted May 9, 2006 Posted May 9, 2006 There are no peroxides in perchlorate. I don't feel they would work well anyway. Their solubility in water is pretty low.
dragonman586 Posted May 9, 2006 Posted May 9, 2006 Whoops my bad! I thought that the oxygen atoms used a lower oxidation state. My bad again.
SpikedCola Posted May 9, 2006 Author Posted May 9, 2006 Alright, I emptied out the container, and there are green-ish coloured crystals in the bottom! Yay! If I take a bit and rub it between my fingers, they go clear and turn into very small crystals. How do I get the green (fertalizer crap?) out of them? I was thinking of puting them in some cotton and squeezing it, but wouldnt the kno3 crystals get stuck in the cotton?
teknix Posted May 9, 2006 Posted May 9, 2006 Are you saying the green stuff is insoluable? If so then dissolve the KNO3 fertilizer in hot water and then filter it and then precipitate the KNO3 out of the water filtrate with alcohol and/or cool the mix in an ice bath then filter out the KNO3 and dry it.
SpikedCola Posted May 9, 2006 Author Posted May 9, 2006 No, I mean the crystals that Im left with are green in colour, and if I rub them together in my fingers they turn clear and the green comes out (I think its just leftover liquid). I should just be able to pour them into a cotton cloth and squeeze them to remove the excess liquid, right?
Draco_Aster Posted May 10, 2006 Posted May 10, 2006 Its called filtration. Fill-tray-shon. You really need to use your brain for a second and think for yourself man. We learn recrystallization and filtration in basic chem, earlier than grade 8 maybe? Touch paper is simple. Boil water, dissolve oxidiser, add paper, precipitate solution and get the paper. Done. We all should know how to purify a water soluble chemical.We all should have enough patience to look for chems ourselves.We all should eat a chiwawa in the morning.
SpikedCola Posted May 11, 2006 Author Posted May 11, 2006 Its called filtration. Fill-tray-shon. You really need to use your brain for a second and think for yourself man. We learn recrystallization and filtration in basic chem, earlier than grade 8 maybe? Touch paper is simple. Boil water, dissolve oxidiser, add paper, precipitate solution and get the paper. Done. We all should know how to purify a water soluble chemical.We all should have enough patience to look for chems ourselves.We all should eat a chiwawa in the morning. Im in grade ten chem and the most we've learned is polyatomic compounds. They dont let us within fifty feet of the chemicals, much less actually do anything with them. They havent even explained precipitation other than the fact that its a solid that forms during a chemical reaction. I think its great that Ive done this much. I did the research, I found how to make the chemical, I made it, and all Im asking for is clarification. I dont feel like screwing up something I spent time on when I can ask a simple question and get a simple answer.
aquaman Posted May 11, 2006 Posted May 11, 2006 Wow really. I'm also in chemistry and we've done numerous labs with chems. My friend stole a whole pound of KMnO4 for no reason (what a dumb ass) he mixed it in snow on the ground to show how it turned into a bright purple liquid at the school for everyone to walk in. I persuaded him to give it to me . He also barrowed some pure Na. Learn to love chemistry.
Zeppelin Posted May 11, 2006 Posted May 11, 2006 At my school the most interesting thing we did was either electrolysis, or putting a tiny amount of sodium in water. It wasnt even enough to flame\explode, it just fizzled. Oh yeah, once we "learned" how to tell if its an acid or base using those little pink\blue strips. LAMMMEE Btw, Gr.10 science.
Mumbles Posted May 11, 2006 Posted May 11, 2006 You can't blame the school. Just because you are too lazy to do work or reading on your own to understand and be able to do the stuff we talk about here is no fault of ours, nor your school's. Recrystalisation is very standard stuff. If they don't teach it to you in general chem, the system at your school is flawed. I think they should designate an entire week of chem class in teaching you how to use the equipment, and standard lab proceedure. It would make labs go so much smoother, and less mistakes or accidents.
Zeppelin Posted May 11, 2006 Posted May 11, 2006 I agree, Im not blaming the school, im commenting on their lack of teaching applicable things in chemistry. Almost all of the work that I have done in any chemistry class was theroretical(sp?). This is usefull, but practical and common procedures and experience would be much more usefull.
Mumbles Posted May 11, 2006 Posted May 11, 2006 General chemistry courses just teach you to answer questions. You might pick up some chemistry along the way. You need to take upper level college courses to actually learn chemistry.
SpikedCola Posted May 11, 2006 Author Posted May 11, 2006 Any books you would suggest that I could read to get started into this kind of stuff?
Douchermann Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 Its called filtration. Fill-tray-shon. You really need to use your brain for a second and think for yourself man.If you're going to be a smart-ass, the least you could do is write out the pronounciation correctly. it would be fill-tray-shun. Otherwise the 'O' in "Shon" would sound like the 'O' in "Bon-bon"Haha just messin around with ya man. But seriously The reason chemistry classes in highschool don't teach jack anymore is because of that dumb "no child left behind program". Its done the opposite in my opinion. Its holding the ones back that have the will to learn, and discouraging them from learning. As for the books, look for that lab survival manual. The link is somewhere on this forum I think.
Mumbles Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 http://www.sciencemadness.org/library/index.html Get "Practical Organic Chemistry" by Arthur Vogel. This is THE reference everyone should have and learn to love. While you are there, I suggest picking up "Chemistry of Powder and Explosives" by Tenny L Davis. Both are vital for the amateur chemist and pyrotechnist.
Rogue Chemist Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 Yeah, I was not taught recrystalization till first year university, but I learned it from books around gr 8 or 9.
RUUUUUN Posted May 13, 2006 Posted May 13, 2006 I think my school is deliberately trying to discourage me, I asked to take Chem, my Science teacher said no, so I talked to me "counsuller" about it and he said, no you Can't take chem. because B comes before C so you take BIOLOGY before CHEM. No kidding that is the reason they gave me, because B comes before C in the alphabet. Now I am stuck in this lame Bio. class with a teacher that is certified to teach mental patients, and she teaches all of us like we are mental patients, if I was tired in the morning I would sleep in that class! She is so bad, we are in Honors Bio. (for the "smart" kids, you know the ones that actually USE THEIR BRAINS!) and we are BEHIND (yes BEHIND, in the text book) all of the other REGULAR Bio. classes!!!! But I outsmarted the system, go home get a chem book and learn on yer own! Read every single thing you can get your hands on, and then ask questions like crazy and hope ya don't get yelled at. Isn't it easier to remember Litmus paper? instead of "those little pink\blue strips" Boy my teacher in chem next year is prolly not going to let me Look at the lab.. Hey, Teacher lets mix... NO, BAD STUDENT, DOWN BOY!!! If you ahven't read any books so far, I would just pick up a Level 1 Chem. book, start at page one and just read it through. It will teach you about Atomic structure, valence electrons, and how that effects a substances reactivity.
SpikedCola Posted May 13, 2006 Author Posted May 13, 2006 You cant take Chem because it comes after Bio? Thats retarded... And about that no child left behind thing, that doesnt apply to us up here in Canada eh But Ill take a good look at those books. Im gonna get a full set of Pyrex, a good scale, a good heatplate etc for my bday, so I should be fully set by July!
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