Hardware store chems

[Guest Mark_the_pyro]

Hey, long time no post....i now work at ace hardware, to make some income.......i notice many chemicals, including napthalene, muriatic acid, and acetone.........what can i do with these? Or anything else i can find generally in a store?

Thanks guys,

Mark

[Mumbles]

Try researching things you want to do, and go from there. It's much more fun to set a goal, and reach it, than see what you can do with what you have. Your inventory never grows if you just use what you have, and thus you wont advance.

 

Also a series of periods is not an acceptable substitution for all forms of punctuation. Try also capitalizing what needs to be capitalized.

[kwstag]

Try researching things you want to do, and go from there. It's much more fun to set a goal, and reach it, than see what you can do with what you have. Your inventory never grows if you just use what you have, and thus you wont advance.

 

Also a series of periods is not an acceptable substitution for all forms of punctuation. Try also capitalizing what needs to be capitalized.

Well stated.

You will find almost everything you need for HE's, which is what it looks like you want your chems for...

 

The internet is a great tool, as well as google, as was not created for no apparent reason.

 

Use it.

[alyks]

I've found 96% sulfuric acid there under the name of "Liquid Fire". It seems to be a red color maybe from dyes, or impurities. I asked for an MSDS, and the only ingredients listed were sulfuric acid, and rodine 31A. Anybody know what this is? It also said that the rodine had a boiling point of around 150c, maybe it can be purified this way.

[rocket]

Rodine 31A is a corrosion inhibitor.

[paintballtwib]

Sorry, but someone has to say it. Find a chemical for a use, not a use for a chemical. Er somethin along those lines.

[Mumbles]

Oh, you mean kind of like I did in the second post?

[paintballtwib]

Yes, but the exact phrase needed to be said.

[alyks]

I agree, but, I also think it's fun to just go around stores and look at the chemicals they have.

[kwstag]

Sorry, but someone has to say it. Find a chemical for a use, not a use for a chemical. Er somethin along those lines.

Quote the quotes you use. I'ts by Moko. (Mokothar)

[mattcam3]

Hey, long time no post....i now work at ace hardware, to make some income.......i notice many chemicals, including napthalene, muriatic acid, and acetone.........what can i do with these? Or anything else i can find generally in a store?

Thanks guys,

Mark

In my Home depot, I can find M.E.K. (methyl ethyl ketone) , denatured alcohol (I use this for burning in my small lamp/burner for heating things), I saw what was advertised as 99% pure boric acid to kill roaches, and Al flake for a paint additive then can be ball milled for make it a much finer mesh. And of course all the chemicals you already mentioned. But before you just go buying them then look for something to do with all of it, read up on them first, then buy what you need.

 

Also, if needed, run your post through a spell checker before sending it.

[ltf]

You can find at swimming pools equipment stores H2O2 27% as non-chlorine sanitizer, you can also find KMnO4 (15 g) at the pharmacy, say it's for hemorrhoids .

[Boomer]

Found some cleaner with a considerable portion of THF in a big do-it-yoursef shop (national chain)!

 

Downside is, no toluene over here. Looked up the MSDS on all paint-thinners/brush-cleaners/turpentine-replacements/silicone-removers/degreasers/whatever they had, took quite some time. NO toluene, hardly any xylenes. Only straight alkanes, alcohols, acetone and some obscure esters in there.

[gwx]

Quite hard to find acetone here, only in nail polish, which as many other contaminants like Vitamin E, alcohol, etc. But I can purify it via a dry-ice-acetone slush since the melting point of acetone is about 90 deg C whereas dry ice sublimates at around 80 deg C.

 

I can find Hydrochloric acid as a drain cleaner but of course with contaminants.

 

I can find phosphoric acid too but of course with many a few contaminants inside too.

 

There is pharmaceutical grade denatured alcohol to 98% ( meaning with methanol i guess ), and other forms of alcohol. There is also potassium permanganate pure which I must say is very useful, 3% H2O2 which can be either frozen or distilled with caution. Another one would be glycerin which deflagarates spontaneously with KMnO4

 

Potassium nitrate is found in AQUARIUM shops not in fertilisers.

 

Ammonium nitrate is found in fertilisers, at least I guess its Amm. nitrate since when i put it in water, it is very very endothermic. Since its high in solubility, I guess I will just add a little water in, and collect the solution. Then use crystallisation to crystallise the dissolved NH4NO3.

 

Ascorbic acid or vit C can be bought at pharmacies in powdered form.

 

I can hardly find Aluminium powder though I need it desperately. My reserves of Al running out quickly !!

 

From chem supply I can get pure iodine crystals useful for nitrogen tri-iodide, and I can easily get sorbitol, dextrose and other forms of sugar very useful for making recrystallised/melted KNO3-Sugar rocket propellants or smoke bombs.

 

I recently found a chem supply store owned by an old man. its quite retail and they do sell small qty of chemicals. I can get stuffs like copper nitrate, potassium bromate, weird organic compounds, etc.

 

Basically my questions are :

1. where do you guys find Al powder other than Chem. Supply? ( they do not want to sell me, or require some sort of a license ) I tried paint stores but they do not have it. Do Automobile stores have it?

2. where do you guys get sulphuric acid?

[delta_echo]

Basically my questions are :

1. where do you guys find Al powder other than Chem. Supply? ( they do not want to sell me, or require some sort of a license ) I tried paint stores but they do not have it. Do Automobile stores have it?

2. where do you guys get sulphuric acid?

1. I have successfully found powdered aluminum in boat/marine supply stores.

2. In the US, they sell drain cleaner that is 99% H2SO4. Can't tell you the name of the brand, but I have only found it in ACE Hardware.

[gwx]

Basically my questions are :

1. where do you guys find Al powder other than Chem. Supply? ( they do not want to sell me, or require some sort of a license ) I tried paint stores but they do not have it. Do Automobile stores have it?

2. where do you guys get sulphuric acid?

1. I have successfully found powdered aluminum in boat/marine supply stores.

2. In the US, they sell drain cleaner that is 99% H2SO4. Can't tell you the name of the brand, but I have only found it in ACE Hardware.

Hey that is interesting. I can try those out.

 

By the way I live in Singapore so I don't know what is ACE hardware and stuffs hahas.

 

I was wondering about the 99% H2SO4. Why so high a concentration of drain cleaner?! Mine uses HCl which has only 1 hydrogen atom per mole of HCl molecule and yet I think its not quite concentrated.

 

Doesn't 99% H2SO4 mean if you get it on your hands you're dead meat??!! and doesn't it mean that it will turn cloth to black?

 

How can drain cleaners be so concentrated..

[FrKoNaLeaSh1010]

Well i've deffinitely had sulfuric eat away paper and cotton cloth before and that was from store bought drain cleaner. Most store bought drain cleaners are greater than 90% sulfuric.

[Swany]

I doubt it is 99% pure, perhaps by weight, as it forms an azeotrope with water at 98.5%.

 

Cold acids on your hands aren't that bad, however, hot acids are terrible.

[Mumbles]

My experience with acids on my hands is that they itch a lot more than they burn. Unless you have open cuts or wounds on your hand, then yes, it does burn. HCl or acetic acid are the worst for this IMO.

[gwx]

I've got HCl on my hands before many times it doesn't hurt but it really itches a lot. I hope its dilute... but maybe its not, seeing that pouring 90%++ sulphuric acid is not that harmful to your skin.

 

Well as long as there is sulphuric acid, the boiling part should be quite ok. I had some dilute sulphuric acid before and I evaporated all the water in it, with a face mask and full eye goggles. The smell of the white fumes still went in and my whole kitchen was all filled with white H2SO4 fumes.

 

The dilute acid I had was 10% I think I obtained about 70% or more since pouring the acid on cotton caused it to turn black ( carbon ) immediately.

 

So as long as you have H2SO4 concentration is a simple matter of boiling the H2O off. Comparatively if you have HCl dilute, its quite hard to concentrate it given that it forms a constant-boiling azeotrope once the concentration reaches 30%.

 

Wrt sulphuric acid, its possible to make it at home by bubbling SO3 gas ( combustion of potassium nitrate + sulphur ) a little at a time into a beaker of water in a dry-ice-acetone slush. Make sure the cover is capped as much as possible so that condensation can occur if vapors are formed. On the cap you can possibly place some ice.

[ltf]

I got 98% H2SO4 on my hands, the only thing I got was yellow fingers

I also got HCl on my hands, they became smoםth LOL.

I know someone that some drops of HNO3 touched is skin and he got nothing.

[hashashan]

dude .. no way that 98% sulfuric did nothing to you. well i didnt try and not going to.

but the nitric acid (concentrated of course) will burn right through your hand. especcialy if its a fuming one

[Rogue Chemist]

I have had cold concentrated sulfuric on my hand, no problem.

Cold conc nitric-no problem

Cold mixed acids can really sting.

 

Boiling nitric and sulfuric from a nitration mix that erupted-one hand mostly yellow from nitrated skin, hurt pretty damn bad.

 

Fuming (~95%) nitric at 60 degrees-one drop landed on my gloved hand, and due to the glove angle it just ran down, instantly melting a path through the latex. Luckily that never got on my hand.

[Mumbles]

I am sure if you left the 98% acid on your skin for an extended period it woud do something. However getting a drop on your skin and washing it off relativly quickly will do very little.

 

Itf, as for why H2SO4 turned your skin yellow, I have no idea. I know nitric acid will do this.

 

I also very high suggest against trying to make sulfuric acid by bubbling SO3 into water. It is horribly exothermic. Theres a method where KNO3, Sulfur, and something else are burnt inside a bucket with water and a low concentration of H2SO4 is made, then concentrated from there. If you want to make fuming Sulfuric Acid, aka Oleum, bubble the SO3 into concentrated H2SO4.

[kwstag]

Sorry if these have no help, just OTC cheap chems off the top of my head...

 

Someone mentioned getting 15g of KMnO4 at a Pharmacy.. Well I'm sure most people know that you can get it at Sears in a blue bottle for removing iron from water, or from hardware stores under "Iron Out". I'm not sure if they're the same but the Iron Out comes in 1, 2, 5, and 10 Lb containers, and it's pure. 5 Lb goes for $12-15 USD. Not bad actually.

 

Hmm NaOH can be bought 100% pure from hardware stores as a crystal drain cleaner obviously..... Roughly 1 Lb for $3.20 USD.

 

Phosphoric Acid at The Home Depot and Lowes, and sometimes Menards.

 

Propylene Glycol at Lowes as a Non-Toxic Antifreeze, in the plant section for some reason..

 

KNO3 as Stump Remover- Most popular Green Light or Grants. NaNO3 as "Nitrate of Soda" in 4 Lb. boxes.. NH4NO3 in Instant cold packs.

 

Oxides and Carbonates from Ceramic Supply Stores (Check www.yellowpages.superpages.com or www.yellowpages.com)

 

CuCl2 can be bought at pool stores in 50 Lb bags for 15 dollars.

 

HCl all over ranging from $1.50-5.99 USD per Gallon.

 

H2SO4 as Liquid Drain Openers. (Rooto, Jones Stephens Corp, Black Swan "ZAP", Liquid Fire, Liquid Lightning etc..) - Hardware stores..

 

Solvents such as Acetone, Toluene, Xylene, Denatured Alcohol (96.5% Ethanol 3.5% Methanol - Sunnyside), Turpentine, Methyl Ethyl Ketone etc.. For roughly $10.99 USD a Gallon for each. .. hardware stores..

 

H2O2 - 3% , 27% , 27.5% , 50% Sometimes. Grocery store, pool store, hydroponics store..