Use of Drugs, Yay or Nay?

[jimbo]

nothin wrong with a bit wacky every now and then,save the bullets for murderers of the innocent and kid f---ers they're the ones that need it.I heard that a state in america is thinking about capital punishment for pedophiles,if anyone needs to die its these creatures.good on you pyro55

[Twotails]

Heh, thing on drugs is i've tried MJ, and will never again!(Severly allergic to the smoke! go figure. didnt even take a puff, and coudent breath!) the only drug i realy do(and its LEGAL were i am) is Salvia. It supposta induce a deep perception of things, or dreams. It's used by some for religous reasons. I use it to dream, or just to semi-alter percetion(when i go to sleep). granted i've used it twice, but its still interesting, but was too expensive($45+ per gram for 30X and higher)

[jimbo]

I seen those kids on youtube gettin winged off salvia, looks pretty toxic the way it effects them,its banned in australia at least the strain that is smoked is anyway.

 

 

[Ralph]

That's pretty harsh. Smoking Marijuana puts the user and those close to them in far less danger than even small scale pyrotechnics. If you take the above sentence and insert "pyromaniacs" in place of "potheads" it sounds awfully similar to the bigots who try to stomp on our hobby. Marijuana is one of the smallest threats human beings face in day to day life. If you really want to worry about something, worry about falling down the steps or getting in a car accident. Better yet, worry about blowing your fingers off.

 

Marijuana is not a hobby many people misuses it and hurt others if a pyro screws up that they get hurt and possibly people around them that knew of their hobby if a cock smokes weed and gets into a car ans crashes into someone they hurt someone unknowing an innocent. In my current employment I have to deal with stoners they are a pain in the arse especially when they are hungry (generally the reason why they call) stop trying to prove to others that its legitimate do what you want but dont try and pull others into your death trap

[inonickname]

Anyone who thinks that abuse of drugs can't do you damage is purely stupid in it's most concentrated form. The cousins of a close friend both are mentally damaged due to extensive marijuana use from a young age. They're extremely paranoid, and will never be proper functioning members of society due to extensive drug abuse.

 

I would have nothing against drug use if it didn't cause harm to the people around you. I'm sure plenty of people smoke pot, sniff coke, or whatever and don't do much damage to their friends or family. Then you have idiots addicted to meth mugging old women and breaking into homes. Clandestine drug labs that cause a hell of a lot of environmental harm and put everyone in the area at risk.

 

There's nothing wrong with drug use in moderation, but far too many people abuse it for me to have a positive outlook on drugs.

 

Oh, and I know people who regularly smoke pot. Don't delude yourself, in the long term it WILL dull you. I've seen it.

 

I have no problem with legitimate uses of legal drugs- unfortunately these are abused as well, but the legitimate uses they have outweigh the idiots abusing them.

[Skycastlefish]

Certainly all drugs can bad for you. Especially the legal ones (anyone ever bleed from the butt or have congestive heart failure from smoking a joint?" I have a theory that people who are inclined to have mental problems enjoy drugs just like plenty of other sane people do. I think it may even be possible for a drug like marijuana to speed up the inevitable mental problems. I think its very possible that folks who "go crazy on pot" would have found something else to go crazy on. The people who supposedly went crazy on pot, most happen to be at the prime age to develop schizophrenia. I know two people who have schizophrenia and neither of them smokes pot. And if they smoked pot, I doubt it would have prevented nor caused their disease. But if they did smoke pot, you bet the doctors would be saying it was a catalyst. Most people don't develop schizophrenia until their twenties or late teens. Anyway, my point in the above statement is not that marijuana is safe, just that statistically speaking pyro, walking down the steps, and driving are more likely to cause you harm. If you look at the number of people who have smoked pot (nearly all of our parents, and supposedly 1 out of 4 teenagers) You quickly realize that 2 out of 4 or 5 people don't have schizophrenia.

[optimus]

I have no problem with legitimate uses of legal drugs- unfortunately these are abused as well, but the legitimate uses they have outweigh the idiots abusing them.

 

Like alcohol?

[explomaan]

Marijuana is not a hobby many people misuses it and hurt others if a pyro screws up that they get hurt and possibly people around them that knew of their hobby if a cock smokes weed and gets into a car ans crashes into someone they hurt someone unknowing an innocent. In my current employment I have to deal with stoners they are a pain in the arse especially when they are hungry (generally the reason why they call) stop trying to prove to others that its legitimate do what you want but dont try and pull others into your death trap

 

 

Both drugs use and firework manufactoring don't have risks for other people inherently. Its how they are used/made what makes or doesn't make them a risk for other people. I'm very sure there are many that use one or both with good intentions and responsible. Of course, there will still be some risks for themselves but if they are fine with that, like we are fine with the inherent risk of making fireworks it, then it should be legal to use psychoactives or to make fireworks.

 

Not every person is the same and some people can have drugs while others will have serious psychological 'damage'. The way that people respond to drugs is very dependent on their background. For instance, people with troubles like a shortage on selfconfidence can have more selfconfidence when they are under influence. This can lead to abuse of the drugs and a negative spiral. People that are healty thinking are likely to don't have this problem.

 

Some people like me really can solve some problems with taking drugs. I have had some experiences with salvia where I really got insight into personal problems. If used correctly, many people could solve internal problems with such substances.

Edited August 16, 2010 by explomaan

[Skycastlefish]

stop trying to prove to others that its legitimate do what you want but dont try and pull others into your death trap

 

Come on Ralph. Just because someone support gay rights doesn't mean they're gay. I don't smoke pot, I don't drink caffeine (habit from an old medical problem), I don't take unnecessary pharmaceuticals (prescribed, or otherwise.) Hell, I don't even take Tylenol. However, come Saturday I'll drink someone under the table! We've all got our quirks. I'm not trying to pull others into a deathtrap. I just don't think lying to people in order to scare them away from something is a successful tactic. BTW, as far as general documented knowledge, nobody has ever died from an overdose of marijuana. It makes sense; you'd fall asleep long before you could ever OD. So "deathtrap" is quite an exaggeration.

Anyway, Its taken me a long time to figure out that sharing non pyro related opinions on this forum only alienates me from you guys so, I'm going to take it easy for a while, and stick to pyro, like I'm supposed to be doing in the first place

 

PS very well put explomaan

Edited August 17, 2010 by Skycastlefish

[Arthur]

The biggest problem with illegal narcs is their priority in the wallet situation, most addicts will need to satisfy their cravings before satisfying their basic life needs -food housing family and essential services (gas elec and water). In this I include hard drugs and alcohol and tobacco. If you want the money to do pyro you can't have used it for wacky baccy first.

 

In many countries their workplace safety rules may preclude the use of recreational narcs as well as prohibit you being under the influence of alcohol while working.

[BurritoBandito]

You mean I can't eat my lithium carbonate while I make stars with it? That seems a little unjust

 

Ha!

 

Edit: BTW, Yay!!! It's officially 4 20 here in Texas!!!

Edited April 20, 2013 by BurritoBandito

[dwheadstone]

The answer is NO !

Is there any combination of chemicals that we use in this hobby would show up as false positive for meth ?

Back on Feb 11 my doctor started swab testing using UHPLC_MS/MS to confirm and quantitate drugs and their metaboilites and now my doctor thinks I'm a meth user ???

[TYRONEEZEKIEL]

Why do we have this topic?

[Mumbles]

Because it was started 8 years ago.

 

There are no chemicals we use in pyro that could show up as a false positive for methamphetamine. However, many over the counter cold medications, anti-histamines, anti-depressants, and diet pills can induce false postive results. It is one of the most common drugs to get false-positive results for.

[hindsight]

Only if your putting Adderal in your fuel to increase the speed of your rocket. Yes, Adderal is an amphetamine used to treat Attention Defic...Hey what's that over there!

[dwheadstone]

Because it was started 8 years ago.

 

There are no chemicals we use in pyro that could show up as a false positive for methamphetamine. However, many over the counter cold medications, anti-histamines, anti-depressants, and diet pills can induce false postive results. It is one of the most common drugs to get false-positive results for.

 

Thanks Mumbles

I have not taken any of the above at time of the test ? The only thing it can be some screw up at the lab !

I demanded a retest and the doctor reluctantly said yes so a sample is off to the same lab

[nater]

I question some of those tests. I once tested positive for PCP for a simple urine test after accepting a job offer. The nurse even thought it was odd that I tested positive for that and nothing else. A second test strip with the same sample gave the negative results I was expecting.

 

We get the occasional blood test where I work now. We can be randomly tested at any time, although I haven't had a formal test since my post-offer physical. If we are involved in an accident they also screen us immediately. We have annual physicals too, and they do draw a few vials of blood, but I'm not positive what all they check for. I assume the lab is testing everything they can.

[Mumbles]

As far as I'm aware, most places will test your sample via the strips. They're not particularly selective all the time though. If they come back positive, they'll send off the sample for confirmation via real analytical techniques. Sometimes they'll still check anyway, but they really can't confirm anything 100% just from the strips.

 

I've worked in labs where we analyzed samples for pharmaceutical content and metabolites. UHPLC/MS/MS, which is what they normally use, is quite sensitive and repeatable. It's more than likely there is something in your diet, supplements, or medication that is causing a false positive. I really don't know what analyte they check for, but methamphetamine is actually a very simple molecule, and is structurally similar to a lot of things you probably come in contact with.

[nater]

True, most places I have worked have used those test strips, with a few exceptions. One was a factory I was a medic at, they took a hair sample and sent it to a lab.I laughed a little when a candidate came in with a shaved head, arms and legs for his drug test. Barely looking up the nurse told him to drop his pants and she would find a follicle somewhere. He just left instead.

 

My current employer is a large hospital. They draw blood and test for lots of things, lipids, immunizations, potential exposures, drugs, alcohol. Pretty much the standard blood work with any doctors appointment with the addition of a drug screen and immunization profiles. I found out that a rubella vaccine I was given as a child may not have been fully effective this way.

[hindsight]

As far as I'm aware, most places will test your sample via the strips. They're not particularly selective all the time though. If they come back positive, they'll send off the sample for confirmation via real analytical techniques. Sometimes they'll still check anyway, but they really can't confirm anything 100% just from the strips.

 

I've worked in labs where we analyzed samples for pharmaceutical content and metabolites. UHPLC/MS/MS, which is what they normally use, is quite sensitive and repeatable. It's more than likely there is something in your diet, supplements, or medication that is causing a false positive. I really don't know what analyte they check for, but methamphetamine is actually a very simple molecule, and is structurally similar to a lot of things you probably come in contact with.

 

Absolutely. Any time one submits to drug testing, there is a small but finite possibility of a false positive. Tests are more selective now than they were decades ago when we did blood tests screening for psychotropes. Nevertheless medications like bupropion, desipramine and amantadine have caused alarm for people wrongly suspected of methamphetamine abuse.

[MrB]

Only if your putting Adderal in your fuel to increase the speed of your rocket. Yes, Adderal is an amphetamine used to treat Attention Defic...Hey what's that over there!

 

Ooooh... preeeetty. MINE!

 

I test positive for opiates every time i get close to a test. I've also long since started refusing to do blood tests, since i'm terrified of the needles. It doesn't help when i sit tense, stringed as a bow, and they poke over and over to get some blood. I eat opiate containing seeds on everything from cakes, to loafs of bread, on a daily basis, more then enough to test positive without actually ever having been close to opiates that could make my perception of the world change. At least i don't have to worry about an employer...

 

Anyway, sort of on topic. Drugs are good. If you wanna do drugs, go for it. I'd suggest not making, or playing with pyro while under the influence, but in all honesty, it's your life, do with it what you like. Me? I drink tea, and i eat chocolate, but my drug of choice is coca-cola. Barely touch the alcohol stuff, and thats the most potent stuff i get near. Now that you've been doing drugs, i'll go play with my pyro, or my RC toys, my bike, or any number of toys that i have, that you "cant afford"... Hell, kick that habit, and join me, if you feel tempted... But don't whine about it, you made the choice on what to spend your limited funds on, not me.

 

Rant isn't really directed to anyone, it's just the way i see it. Bottom line is, your free to put, or not put what ever you like in, and on your body, as long as it doesn't interfere with me, and my rights to do, or don't do the same.

B!

[NightPainter]

So much bad information in this thread I wouldn't know where to start.

 

Marijuana is medicine. The US government still grows it and provides it to Glaucoma patients as medicine while the DEA claims it has no medical value. Just google it and you'll find lots of published peer reviewed papers on the subject. Or sit behind your reefer madness ignorance and spout nonsense just to show how truly stupid you are.

 

 

Brain Cancer

 

1. A study published in the British Journal of Cancer, conducted by the Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology at Complutense University in Madrid, this study determined that Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and other cannabinoids inhibit tumour growth. They were responsible for the first clinical study aimed at assessing cannabinoid antitumoral action. Cannabinoid delivery was safe and was achieved with zero psychoactive effects. THC was found to decrease tumour cells in two out of the nine patients.

 

2. A study published in The Journal of Neuroscience examined the biochemical events in both acute neuronal damage and in slowly progressive, neurodegenerative diseases. They conducted a magnetic resonance imaging study that looked at THC (the main active compound in marijuana) and found that it reduced neuronal injury in rats. The results of this study provide evidence that the cannabinoid system can serve to protect the brain against neurodegeneration.

 

3. A study published in The Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics already acknowledged the fact that cannabinoids have been shown to possess antitumor properties. This study examined the effect of cannabidiol (CBD, non psychoactive cannabinoid compound) on human glioma cell lines. The addition of cannabidiol led to a dramatic drop in the viability of glioma cells. Glioma is the word used to describe a brain tumour. The study concluded that cannabidiol was able to produce a significant antitumor activity.

 

4. A study published in the journal Molecular Cancer Therapeutics outlines how brain tumours are highly resistant to current anticancer treatments, which makes it crucial to find new therapeutic strategies aimed at improving the poor prognosis of patients suffering from this disease. This study also demonstrated the reversal of tumour activity in Glioblastoma multiforme.

 

 

 

The war on drugs is a Trillion dollar failure. Complete waste of taxpayer money. Get caught and you'll rot in jail. HSBC gets caught laundering drug money and nothing happens. It's scam that feeds on the ignorance of the reefer madness crew. It helps keep the for profit private prison system in business not to mention all the law enforcement folks who would be out of job.

 

Go ahead and try to OD on it.... LOL It will never happen. Down a 5th of legal booze at one sitting and you'll most likely die from Alcohol poisoning. Because Alcohol is straight up poison. Getting "drunk" amounts to little more than poisoning yourself but not enough to die.... just like Heroin.

 

DMT is made in 5 different locations in the body. Shaman's have been using it for 100's of years. It is nothing like LSD or mushrooms or peyote. The DMT experience involves all 5 of your senses, other hallucinogenics do not.

 

DMT: The Spirit Molecule is an excellent book on the subject.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiqzHzAx4ro

 

 

[hindsight]

If the above post is about the religious expressions of a shaman then disregard my response to each and every one of your statements.

 

1)"So much bad information in this thread I wouldn't know where to start." --To which bad information specifically are you referring?

2)"Marijuana is medicine. The US government still grows it " --Correct. It is an useful anti-emetic and appetite stimulant and has been used to treat certain types of headache in my country.

3) "and provides it to Glaucoma patients as medicine.." -- I wasn't aware that the US government was in the dispenasary business, but there many other medical treaments with a much lower side effect profile for the treatment of glaucoma.

4) "while the DEA claims it has no medical value." --Does your DEA make medical policy?

5) "Just google it and you'll find lots of published peer reviewed papers on the subject." --Sure and lots of information about Amotivational Syndrome and marijuana, etc.

6) " Or sit behind your reefer madness ignorance and spout nonsense just to show how truly stupid you are." --Emotional rant ignored.

7) " Brain Cancer 1. A study published in the British Journal of Cancer, conducted by the Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology at Complutense University in Madrid, this study determined that Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and other cannabinoids inhibit tumour growth. They were responsible for the first clinical study aimed at assessing cannabinoid antitumoral action." --There are many compounds that have anti-tumor effects without psychoactive side effects.

8) "Cannabinoid delivery was safe and was achieved with zero psychoactive effects." -Either someone is confused or the study was done at doses lower than that consumed by most marijuana users.

9) "THC was found to decrease tumour cells in two out of the nine patients." -- N=11, that's a study?

10)" 2. A study published in The Journal of Neuroscience examined the biochemical events in both acute neuronal damage and in slowly progressive, neurodegenerative diseases. They conducted a magnetic resonance imaging study that looked at THC (the main active compound in marijuana) and found that it reduced neuronal injury in rats." --What MRI evidence in these rodents and what slow progressive neurologic disease were they pre-disposed to?

11) "results of this study provide evidence that the cannabinoid system can serve to protect the brain against neurodegeneration." --Wouldn't dispute the results without reading the study. Again, though, there are plenty of neuroprotective compounds and regimens well-studied for acute neuro injury in humans, and there is some good pioneering work done for the prevention of dementia in humans. What is your point? Should I smoke marijuana to prevent my rampant dementia?

12) "A study published in The Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics already acknowledged the fact that cannabinoids have been shown to possess antitumor properties.". --See my comment above.

13) "This study examined the effect of cannabidiol (CBD, non psychoactive cannabinoid compound)". --I have been involved with studies on cannibidiol and assure you it is psychoactive (5HT1A effects, among others), although much less so than THC. Excusing your comment are the statements on the internet that it has no psychoactive properties.

14) " on human glioma cell lines. The addition of cannabidiol led to a dramatic drop in the viability of glioma cells. Glioma is the word used to describe a brain tumour. The study concluded that cannabidiol was able to produce a significant antitumor activity. 4. A study published in the journal Molecular Cancer Therapeutics outlines how brain tumours are highly resistant to current anticancer treatments, which makes it crucial to find new therapeutic strategies aimed at improving the poor prognosis of patients suffering from this disease. This study also demonstrated the reversal of tumour activity in Glioblastoma multiforme." --With the failure rate of most anti-tumor drugs for the treatment of gliobastoma multiforme, if cannibinoids were curative, we would see a widespread use of them for this terrible disease.

15) "The war on drugs is a Trillion dollar failure. Complete waste of taxpayer money. Get caught and you'll rot in jail." --No argument.

16) " It's scam that feeds on the ignorance of the reefer madness crew. It helps keep the for profit private prison system in business not to mention all the law enforcement folks who would be out of job." --Political rant that's outside my area of expertise.

16)" Go ahead and try to OD on it.... LOL It will never happen." --Survived as unwitting subject, but not going to do it again, thank you.

17) "Down a 5th of legal booze at one sitting and you'll most likely die from Alcohol poisoning. Because Alcohol is straight up poison. Getting "drunk" amounts to little more than poisoning yourself but not enough to die.... just like Heroin." --You are absolutely correct on these points.

18) " DMT is made in 5 different locations in the body." --Yep, and so are thousands of other compounds that I have no desire to ingest or smoke. What's the point here?

19) "Shaman's have been using it for 100's of years." -- Right again.Many of them do lots of interesting things I can't mention here, but they are fascinating culturally.

20). "It is nothing like LSD or mushrooms or peyote." -- All have different psychoactive profiles. All are classified as hallucinogens. Are the major brands of colas different or alike?

21)"The DMT experience involves all 5 of your senses, other hallucinogenics do not." -- Have you ever recieved a dose of psylocin, LSD or mescaline? LSD subjects have variously reported tasting pressure on their fingertips, smelling the colour purple, hearing something hot, etc. Which of the senses were missed?

22) "DMT: The Spirit Molecule is an excellent book on the subject. --This is something I will not refute, as it lies within the spirit realm. And that's a subject about which you can send me a PM.

 

 

 

I will read any articles, when the time arises, for which you send me a specific bibliography , and I apologize for commenting on them generally without having read them. I will not ask you to read the reams of information that suggest the potentially adverse effects of recreational doses of DMT that I have had to read in my lifetime. But if you are using DMT for religious purposes,I understand, as I worship frequently, and that requires some personal sacrifice.

Edited May 23, 2014 by hindsight

[MrB]

4) "while the DEA claims it has no medical value." --Does your DEA make medical policy?

They pretty much do, on this topic. Since they have national jurisdiction, they have been known to com in, and crack down on regional medi-care centers using weed as a treatment method, as well as busting the government officials growing the medical grass, and burning the product, when they find one of the growth houses. Now, get this... There is (well, was, a couple of years ago) 7 federal medical marijuana patients. Yeah. While federal government agencies cracks down on medical marijuana programs, federal test programs have shown that there are some sicknesses that definitely is best treated with weed. Irvin Rosenfeld seams to me, like he is fairly successful, and not the average dopehead were usually shown when we talk drug-users. Must have something to do with the fact that he gets 300 joins every 25 days, and smokes 10-12 a day... So, the state cant grow, and provide it's residents with weed, but this guy gets it directly from the federal government, is allowed to drive after using, and, the federals have to grow & prepare it for him. Hypocritical? You bet.

USA, land of the free and home of the brave... Well, he surely was brave, but free? Hell. Most people living in the US might think they are free, but as far as i can tell, they are playing tricks on them self.

B!

[hindsight]

MrB, You have a way of teaching me things in the most humorous fashion. (But what hope do we have of having good relations with the U.S. government if we criticize them?) Being ignorant of DEA jurisdiction, I was asking an honest question, not editorializing...just to be clear about my intent.