Use of Drugs, Yay or Nay?

[delta_echo]

Well, some say that I have no credentials for putting anything into this thread because I have never done drugs, alcohol, or even tobacco. Fact of the matter is, I firmly believe those who do open themselves up to such an incredible variety of dangers. While I've never had a desire to try, I've watched one kid who I know very well get his head bashed in by a large rock thrown from a third story building at him after an alcohol-induced fight. I've also witnessed someone wandering the streets, high as a kite, walk into the middle of the road and get hit by a car traveling 55 mph. I don't know if he survives. Personally, I carry a weapon on my person whenever I leave the house. I also carry a pistol and shotgun in the trunk of my car. Thankfully, I've never had to use them for anything other than target practice. The thing is, I don't trust people in general populace. They do far too many stupid, desperate attempts to fuel addictions, conform or be "different" to take on the world in a rational manner. Combine that with drugs or excess alcohol and suddenly many bad "ideas" somehow become rational. Hopefully, this can only harm oneself. Even with this, however, you sure as hell better have good health insurance because the last thing I need is for my tax dollars to pay to have you scraped off the road and treated for something that is completely your doing. And thats just it. People high on drugs or addicted to them are a liability to society. Those who are currently high do nothing productive, and those who are addicted can be quite destructive. Break into my house and I have very little remorse for putting a .45 slug into your head or riddle you with buckshot.

Besides this, I am also in the military, training to become in officer. You do drugs in the field and you're either gonna die real soon, or you might very well get fragged by your own men. I want to be absolutely sure that the man with an automatic weapon, grenade launcher, etc. is bringing along his full mental capacities. If he takes drugs I'll make sure he's not in the military very long. I can't speak much about other militaries, but there is a reason America has the best fighting force out there. A clean military is one that performs its mission with the least amount of casulties.

I could go on, but I hope you get the point.

[optimus]

those who are currently high do nothing productive, and those who are addicted can be quite destructive.

While the second part of that sentance does make some sense, the first part is complete and utter bullshit!

[weknowpyro]

I've seen one kid so cracked up for weed, a mate sold him hamster food and he tried to smoke it lol!

[delta_echo]

those who are currently high do nothing productive, and those who are addicted can be quite destructive.

While the second part of that sentance does make some sense, the first part is complete and utter bullshit!

Ummm. So you're saying when a person is high, he can (of for that matter, should) actively involve himself in schoolwork, business, and family?

[Zeppelin]

If anything school work or buisness would me much more entertaining. I dont belive that hamster food would look or smell like weed, and your dont get addicted to it, so why he would be so desperate I dont know.

[EP.]

Ummm. So you're saying when a person is high, he can (of for that matter, should) actively involve himself in schoolwork, business, and family?

Again, lets not generalize about all drugs or all situations. While I certainly don't think people should be high all the time when they should be focuing on other things, sometimes it is possible and sometimes it even helps (to some extent).

 

For those of you that are or will be in college, you'll eventually hear about people taking legal drugs like Adderall without a prescription to help them work. Hell, I have a friend that got a paper finished on time only because her last minute effort was supplemented by coke. Now this is certainly a bad habit, especially with coke, but some drugs (primarily stimulants) can have some positive effects.

 

Hell, even the military gives soldiers drugs:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/02/mistaken.bombing/

 

Or for a more amusing example that was done as a test:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=51...+troops&pl=true

 

I know plenty of people that go to class or do schoolwork while a bit stoned as well. I certainly don't recommend it, but it is possible.

 

As many have pointed out, this all comes down to moderation. Should you be strung out on meth trying to fly a passenger jet? Should you be so stoned you can't properly take orders at your Taco Bell job? Of course not, but what people do on their own time is their business as long as it doesn't spill out into other areas (which sometimes happens, but needs to be addressed in a more intelligent manner than locking them up).

[Novocaine]

Tell your mate to use meth instead. Works much better, but just make sure he purifies it first.

[AVR]

A glass of wine and a joint is a perfect anti-stress combo. I don't need it, but it helps me to relax after a busy week.

I can't see any adverse effects at all, but if you smoke the reefer on a regular basis(abuse it), I am sure you get lazy and fucks up your short-term memory.

 

But as soon you stop smoking, the adverse effects will subside. I know, because I smoked quite a bit when I was younger.

If not overconsumed, I see pot as a medicine more than a drug. Same thing with alcohol(what would hard-rock and heavy metal be like without beer?)

[Pyrohawk]

The Team Shift Leader where I work told me the other night that she was a pot head when she was in college. She said shwe smoked weed maybe 2-3 times a day most days! I just found it funny that I take orders from someone who's smoked a lot of weed

[psymon]

I was selling some sodium benzoate on ebay recently as I had way too much and thought some people could do with some nice whistles. Anyway Ebay cancelled the auction saying that SODIUM BENZOATE is drug

Paraphernalia.

Are they thick or what or can this stuff be used as a drug? Its present in fruit drinks so I had better go and score some orange juice from my local dealer (co-op)...

Here is what they said!

 

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[optimus]

Ummm. So you're saying when a person is high, he can (of for that matter, should) actively involve himself in schoolwork, business, and family?

Ummm - If you think about it, there are a helluva lot of productive things to do other than those related to business, schoolwork and family! I'm not saying that people SHOULD get high and try to function normally, but some certainly CAN, AND be productive on a number of levels.

 

While being stoned in most jobs is a really stupid idea, in others it can be a very good idea. For instance, I work in a creative capacity, and both me and numerous colleagues have produced some of our best work while under the influence.

 

I know some children being brought up by complete 'stoners' in Holland who are definitely amongst the best behaved, intelligent (I could go on) kids I've ever met. If I ever have kids, I'm taking alot of lessons from this 'stoner' couple.

 

As for schoolwork, I wouldn't advise working whilst smoking lots of weed for most people, but I managed to get away with it, and still got bloody good grades!

 

You seem to have formed very strong opinions based on very little experience.

[delta_echo]

Ummm. So you're saying when a person is high, he can (of for that matter, should) actively involve himself in schoolwork, business, and family?

 

You seem to have formed very strong opinions based on very little experience.

Yeah, sure. Like the stoners who broke into my home? Or how about the plethora of drug users my father councils on a weekly basis whose family's have left them and who have lost their jobs? Your example of stoner parents are far from the norm. It sounds like you are still in high school, actively taking a drug, so I would put that it is yourself lacking the experience to see the true effects of drug use. First hand experience is far different from an objective "outsider's" view. Go out into the corporate world, go clean for awhile to get an "outsiders view", gain some experience in the real world, and then report back.

[optimus]

It sounds like you are still in high school, actively taking a drug, so I would put that it is yourself lacking the experience to see the true effects of drug use. First hand experience is far different from an objective "outsider's" view. Go out into the corporate world, go clean for awhile to get an "outsiders view", gain some experience in the real world, and then report back.

You shouldn't make blanket statements about most things in life, and I was simply giving examples of why your views may be accurate under certain circumstances, but totally way off under others. I'm not saying that my examples are the norm - merely that they're true examples.

 

Not sure where you got the high school thing from, but if you re-read my post you'll see that I mentioned I work in a creative capacity. By this I meant I work for an international advertising agency, so the way I see it, I'm almost certainly in the corporate world. I have much 'real world' experience, have 'gone clean' for extended periods of time while abroad, and I still keep the opinion that for certain people, ganja needn't be any problem atall.

 

Saying this, I've worked in colleges and seen the detrimental effects drugs can have on young people first hand, and I can fully understand why certain people think all drugs are bad, period, but it's simply not that simple.

[Boomer]

Must I quote Paracelsus? “No thing is without poison, the *amount* makes it a poison.” Three big spoons of table salt are as lethal as three gram of morphine!

 

*Every* drug is harmless if taken occasionally, and harmful if abused (1). Even the hardest drugs like heroin or coke/crack, if taken say twice a month, will do you no harm. Twice a day, even a soft drug like weed will most likely ruin your life, if only by de-motivation.

 

Moreover, to 99% it is the circumstances that ruin people. Thousands of opiate addicted doctors perform normally, and grow old in good health. It is the *one million percent* price increase (2) that makes the junkie in his slum inject dirty cut with an infected needle, then break into a house or spread AIDS via prostitution for the next shot.

 

And the idea that stoners are bad for economy has been proven wrong. A big survey showed that (in a given group, e.g. workers) consumers of weed did more voluntary overtime, made more money hence paid more tax, and were less days off ill. If amphetamines did not enhance performance, why would all militaries give it to their soldiers in WW2, and why would many Olympics use them before the piss tests were done?

 

It is the fact that once you know a way to feel good even in a bad situation, it is hard to not do it again and again in a crisis. While weed is only addictive to people who would get addicted to glue, sex, internet, eating (… take your pick) as well, the opiate euphoria or the crack rush feels so fucking good I do not advise to try it even once.

 

The parallel to pyro has already been drawn, now would you drop it just because it is dangerous and illegal? Compared to weed, the dangers are surely bigger.

Coke and AP do not only look alike, it’s people who do not stick to small amounts, but want it for the main charge (read everyday fuel) that get in trouble!

 

(1) Avoiding overdoses and with the possible exception of people pre-conditioned to mental illness taking hallucinogens.

 

(2) From 20 dollar a kilo in Afghanistan to 40 dollars per gram at 20% purity.

 

End rant, and back home to distill some benzaldehyde (pun intended)

[p_y_r_o]

It could be said that the only problem with ilegal drugs is the fact that there ilegal. If the goverment had full control over the sale of cannabis. They could regulate the strength, purity and they could tax it heavily perhaps an amount a person could buy. I'm sure cannabis is a bad example.

 

Just a though

[BigBang]

Apperantly, today is "National Smoke-Out Day" in america, so at 4:20, The hippies should be having some fun. I shall too as I will find a group, and smoke them out with one of my smoke bombs. Should be quite fun

 

It might be a little mean, but I have one I need to use, and hey, it's smoke day

[sanlands]

Well to get some myths and made up garbage about marijuana.

 

Okay, first off, no one has ever died directly and only from marijuana. It's physically impossible to overdose on it. Infact, it's considered as possibly the safest drug/plant/product in the world.

 

How does smoking marijuana kill brain cells? Most peope just guess that it's from the smoke or the THC, which is the active chemical in marijuana. If smoking marijuana kills brain cells then it'd cause brain damage. When infact the opposite is true as it actually stimulates the brain.

 

Marijuana is less addicting than caffeine and like some other person had posted previously, technically gambling, watching tv, doing anything can be addicting.

 

Marijuana does not cause infertility or low sperm count. Nor does it lead to stronger drug uses such as cocaine or crack. Simply because when Holland legalized marijuana years ago, the use of other illicit drugs dropped to an all time low.

 

If it truly is safe, why is it illegal?

The reason it isn't legal is because the US government can't make money off of it. It comes in from too many sources in the world that the US can't tax it. And also because too many people don't understand it...

[Guest pyrokid00000]

I used to use marijuana alot. But now my brain is not cut out for it. Now every time i smoke i have horrible anxiety attacks and an extreme sense of paranoia. I have no idea why, i used to smoke pot 2-3 times a day at times. I just hope in my physco or something. So maybe the drug is bad sense i was abusing it.

[FrKoNaLeaSh1010]

I would suggest a low dose of alprazolam (xanax) or another weak benzo. I know someone who gets very paranoid and takes like 0.5 or 1mg of xanax and the anxiety and paranoia doesn't affect them.

[Guest pyrokid00000]

Yeah the doctor gave me the 1mg tablets. I grew a tolerance to it real fast tho.

[FrKoNaLeaSh1010]

Well if the doctor prescribed it to you then you should just take an extra/double dose of whatever he said you should take if you plan on smoking cannabis. And yeah you deffinitely build up a tolerance very quickly.

[viziers]

Hmmm,

 

I have read a good magority of this thread and for some reason i have not seen anything about alcahol (sp) now up until 10 years ago i had smoked "pot" for thirteen years and in that thirteen years i have read aboout NUMEROUS medical uses for pot and have not really read any horror stories of say liver damage or spousal abuse killing people wile driving, murders and so on and so forth as i have with alcahol. Does anyone know of any real medical purposes for it? Sorry for the rant here but i would rather see "In my own humble opinion" pot legalized and i barely dare to say it but alcahol illegal.

 

By the way i am currently a IT Tech for a global company.

 

viziers

[Rogue Chemist]

Ethanol is the antidote for methanol poisoning.

[Karl]

Hmmm,

 

I have read a good magority of this thread and for some reason i have not seen anything about alcahol (sp) now up until 10 years ago i had smoked "pot" for thirteen years and in that thirteen years i have read aboout NUMEROUS medical uses for pot and have not really read any horror stories of say liver damage or spousal abuse killing people wile driving, murders and so on and so forth as i have with alcahol. Does anyone know of any real medical purposes for it? Sorry for the rant here but i would rather see "In my own humble opinion" pot legalized and i barely dare to say it but alcahol illegal.

 

By the way i am currently a IT Tech for a global company.

 

viziers

I have smoked pot for about 3 years now and never had a problem. You may say its long term but I understand that now and have started to cut down to a more ‘social smoker’ level. I am naturally paranoid and have been all my life, I think things through way to much.

 

 

I do like a drink every so often too. Well at the moment, I like to drink more than I should. But I enjoy it so why should I care?

 

And as far as cannabis being legalized, I think in the UK we get away with it 9 out of 10 times anyway! Only dealers and big time smokers get busted, not people like us. If your careful then you wont get caught but I suppose it’s illegal for a reason!

 

 

Just my 2p!

 

Karl

[Nitric63]

I was really surprised to find people with such strong anti-drug opinions on this forum.

 

My opinion is that some drugs can be positive to a person's life overall, some are just temporary pleasure inducers but not particularly harmful, and others are best avoided since the potential for harm is overly high.

 

The one's with positive overall effects(that is, they improve life of the person even when not intoxicated) are generally the psychadellics which are a subdivision of the category known to most as hallucinogens. The effects of the psychadellics is not merely to cause "hallucinations"(quotes used because the hallucinations really aren't terribly strong), but to alter ones way of thinking during the experience. While tripping, one sees the significance of things differently and can examine life, and oneself, from a different perspective. While there is an objective reality, it is impossible to actually observe it as such since we are all subjects. All we can know is a perceptual reality created by a subject(oneself) and object(things besides oneself) pairing. If one is careful to actually use the altered state for introspection, one gains new knowledge about the subjective end of reality by allowing oneself to experience the world through different eyes. This expansion of one's understanding of reality, however, is only the beginning of the positive mental effects. One can actively use the trip as a medidative state to gain new perspective on ones problems and beliefs. So long as this is coupled with rational analysis when the trip is over, it can lead a person to a profoundly new, and positive, life perspective. Also, the psychadellics do not have any particularly significant negative effects for most users. No brain damage or reduction of mental function is caused. They do seem to trigger the onset of schizophrenia in people who would eventually develop the disease and there is some possibility that the drugs will cause development of the condition even in those who are not predisposed to it.

 

Personally, I seem to be just at the first stage. Still examining the subjective nature of man's relationship to reality. Though I'm starting to learn to use psychadellics as a stronger meditative tool. As far as actual significant positives in my life, well, it's hard to say. I've only tripped a small number of times. I feel like I appreciate beauty in things and I genuinely care more about other people. I've also begun to expand my appreciation of literature and music. Ultimately though, my life was relatively boring and lame before I ever did any drug(end of my first year of college after I successfully nailed my last exam to secure straight A's) and it's pretty boring and lame now after my second year of college(got one B this past year taking more advanced courses at a more difficult university, though the B was only in a writing class that I half-assed because it was boring and irrelevent to my chemistry major).