justanotherpyro Posted April 1, 2006 Posted April 1, 2006 In my opinion, drugs of any kind are not a problem, as long as you dont hurt anyone else. If you are just staying home, there are no victims.First let me state that both sides have a valid point. It all comes down to a personal choice. In my oppinion I don't have a problem with a guy coming home from work and relaxing by smoking a joint. I do have a problem with children getting involved with abusive substances. A kid in junior high does not need to be hooked on pot. You are very misinformed if this is your oppinion zeppelin. Ask any police officer in the USA what the percentage of crime involved with illegal substances is. It is astounding. Drugs hurt people besides one self, that is a fact. If someone doesn't care about their body, so be it, its theirs. Screw all of the studies and shit, it feels good, so people will still do it. Marijuana affects people differently. To say that I know 3 people got messed up from smoking pot is like taking a poll in a gay bar and saying 100% of the populace is homosexual. Sidewinder, I feel the exact same way a DUI. The pschycological effects of marijuana are much more laid back and relaxed, vs the effects of alcohol and being overconfident.
Zeppelin Posted April 1, 2006 Posted April 1, 2006 Marijuana makes you more peaceful if anything. Drugs themselves do not cause violence, it is usually because they are illegal that people resort to violence. If they were legal, chances are that it would be handled the same way alcohol is. There may be problems in lower class neighborhoods or the ghetto, because things are alot different there. Where I live, drugs have caused very little violence. In my city of 80,000 I know of about 3 major incidents regarding drugs. Peace, Zeppelin
Defiant Pyro Posted April 1, 2006 Posted April 1, 2006 In my opinion, drugs of any kind are not a problem, as long as you dont hurt anyone else. If you are just staying home, there are no victims.First let me state that both sides have a valid point. It all comes down to a personal choice. In my oppinion I don't have a problem with a guy coming home from work and relaxing by smoking a joint. I do have a problem with children getting involved with abusive substances. A kid in junior high does not need to be hooked on pot. You are very misinformed if this is your oppinion zeppelin. Ask any police officer in the USA what the percentage of crime involved with illegal substances is. It is astounding. Drugs hurt people besides one self, that is a fact. If someone doesn't care about their body, so be it, its theirs. Screw all of the studies and shit, it feels good, so people will still do it. Marijuana affects people differently. To say that I know 3 people got messed up from smoking pot is like taking a poll in a gay bar and saying 100% of the populace is homosexual. Sidewinder, I feel the exact same way a DUI. The pschycological effects of marijuana are much more laid back and relaxed, vs the effects of alcohol and being overconfident. You can't get "hooked on pot", it isn't addictive. Perhaps it can be mentally addictive but so can sex, gambling, working out and all sorts of other things. I think of drugs like I do guns. Drugs don't kil people, people kill themselves by being stupid or careless. We shouldn't ban driving because some people drive like morons, we shouldn't ban fireworks because some people are stupid and hurt themselves. People need to take care of their own body, the goverment shouldn't babysit me and tell me what to do as long as I'm not hurting other people.. And you think that drugs are involved with violent crime? Yes they are but they don't have to be. You could grow weed, shrooms, ect even illegally and not be harming one single person.
Rogue Chemist Posted April 1, 2006 Posted April 1, 2006 I don't do drugs, only rarely drink when the social situation warrants it. But I believe its peoples right to do so if they choose to as long as noone else gets hurt from it. I also don't believe in 'addiction', just that people do these things as excape from whatever they cannot handle.
Pyrohawk Posted April 1, 2006 Posted April 1, 2006 NOTE: Pyrohawk, if you've "tried alcohol", you've taken drugs. Alcohol is a drug just like marijuana, methamphetamine, "magic mushrooms", etc, etc, ad infinitum. The general public doesn't like to acknowledge that fact, most likely because so many of them use alcohol socially, but it's a drug nevertheless. M I don't mean I've drank it like just to be drinking it.... I mean like my parents/grandparents have let me taste their beer before. Not even enough to be considered having drunken it if you aks me I just wanted to be 100% honest with that post. If ya wanna get real technical everyone who's ever took a pain pill for a headache has "done drugs".
Mephistos Minion Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Personally I drink socially with mates a fair bit. Not every weekend, but a fair few (when there is no study or sport happening). On the topic of marijuana: I have smoked it perhaps a dozen times in earlier years (I started pretty young as my older brothers mates who I looked up to were into it). I never got really heavily into smoking it because mainly it was not availiable to me (I didn't get pocket money and didn't have a job). In my personal experience, when I was high, I found it alot easier to talk to my mates about more significant things than I would have been able to when not under its influence. This led to our friendship being alot stronger in a way. I never really had any adverse affects; never vomitted or passed out form marijuana use, and as for study, I was excelling in the years I was casually smoking it. I gave it up easily when I started going out with my girlfriend (around 18 months ago) and have, I admit, used it very occasionally with mates at a party, but never in a way that I have taken to much. I never use any substance to excess (except the first tim I drank and didn't know what I was doing). Either way, it affects everyone differently, so this is just personal experience, not any sort of propaganda.
mr.pyro Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 If it were me, I would burn all the fields of opium, marijuana and coca all over the world. Drugs are rediculously dumb and something to hide behind. Changing my natural state doesnt sound appealing. I dont even take medicine unless I HAVE to.
aquaman Posted April 2, 2006 Author Posted April 2, 2006 Sidewinder, you were saying that you'd rather have a high driver instead of a drunk one besides you, why, both are under the influence of psycho acitve substances and are becouse of that a danger to human lives. People who are not capable of driving should NOT be driving in the first place.I have talked to a cop on this kind of subject even though its from a cops stand point, where as in this case its from another driver. He said when pulling someone over for a DUI he would rather have someone that is high rather than drunk because people that are drunk tend to get very angry while the person that is high is mellow. But I stand by prettygreenflames saying that I wouldn't want neither person on drugs (pot/alcohol) driving next to me. As for using drugs in a home and staying there (no driving), I'm all for it as I to believe it is a personal choice.
Defiant Pyro Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 How about stopping everyone from drinking alcohol? Alcohol is ALOT more dangerous than marijuana.. Marijuana is safer than eating at Mc. Donalds or drinking a large sugar fulled soda from a store. Drugs aren't to hide behind anything, I don't use drugs because I want to look cool, or need to hide behind anything. I do them for fun and research. I think of say, tripping on acid as a way to explore your brain and research it's effects first hand. If you are smart and safe with what you're using, just like pyrotechnics you will most likely not get seriously hurt or killed. Your body in it's natural state is under the influence of drugs, when you get hurt adrenaline kicks in, when you are dreaming you are under the influence of a intense psychedelic drug (N,N DMT). When you eat food and fill full that is taking a mind altering chemical causing you to feel satisfied afterwards. If you don't want to feel any different and want to feel in your complete natural state with no added "drugs" then quit eating food and drinking liquids.. Without drugs, you die. I think the only real reason not to do recreational drugs is if you do not enjoy the feeling of their effects on your body. Don't criticize something you have never done. It's like a virgin saying sex is overrated.
RUUUUUN Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 If you want to act like a dork and say everything is a drug, then ban the use of air. breathing air gives you satisfied feeling. Unless you have never been trapped underwater, experienced panic, and then had to hold your breathe for 2+ minutes. After that breathing is VERY satisfying. Shove it where the sun don't shine, we are talking about substances that do more than simply satisfy your hunger/thirst which are natural, getting High off weed is not natural. I agree that we should ban alcohol too, I think getting drunk is just as bad as getting high. I don't dream at night.
Zeppelin Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Well, all that I can say is in glad RUUUNN isnt running the world. If you became president of the United States you would be shot (not that the president really has those kind of powers). Defiant pyro- it's like a virgin saying sex is overrated.Exactly! Dont put down drugs if you have no reason.
Swany Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Oh oh oh... drugs seem to be a bit more touchy amongst young people than politics. Well, we have people representing both sides of everything, but, I'll add my part. I live in a very not-so-densly populated area of the world. Its cold, flat, and treeless. After I discovered pyrotechincs and energetic materials, I was quite happy with this. Now, since most people would claim-righfully-that there is nothing to do, they are mostly correct, and thus, more people use/abuse alcohol, and other dopamine circuit modifying materials in this area. Basically, 90% of the graduating class, per year, IIRC. My dad is an ER doctor, and sees all of the tragidies, of everything. Drugs, drinking, driving, crazed farmers, carniverous lettuce, whatever. Hearing of what happens, first hand, is enough to stave me away from it all. My upbringing is anti-drug, but it is not pushed extremely hard. This is mostly because I am competent of making my own decesions, and that would be rather anti-drug. I am not as extreme as one member, nor as lenient as most, but, I am pretty much against it for a few reasons:1) I don't know if it turns my brain into dilapidated oatmeal, and I will not find out2) I already am needing money for... other things3) I feel perfectly happy without them Now, I am not psychotically anti-drug. Richard Feynman, my beloved physicist and expirementer role-model was quite open about smoking weed. I feel drugs have done some bad things to society, rather than work hard to go past the pain in your life and make everything better, in the long run; one uses conventional 'drugs' to escape from reality and take away motivation, as the drugs satisfy their needs for happiness. Having traveled to third world countries where people work long days in bad conditions for their whole lives without much of a hope of anything, it seems like a slap in the face to put down double digit figures of money to get high once, when you can live in a place like that on that amount of money for a week. I am not going to pretend that I *know* that drugs are the reason for any real, or percieved, decay of society, nor am I deeming them totally innocent, I try not to judge people on their preferances, or usage. However, you generally can see a pattern in the personalities and aspirations of users, depending on the grade of usage. Just my 37 cents.
Star_Roller Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 to me this is a useless fight....I dont like weed will never like it period.If there is only one good thing for it and that is the economy you have to admit without it there wouldnt be as much money flow in and out of the country.we can all afree on this.
justanotherpyro Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 It isn't a fight actually. More like a lot of individual oppinions. I don't have anything against a pot smoker. I dislike people justifying its use by saying things like " drugs don't hurt anyone " and people on the other side of the pendalum saying " people who do drugs should be shot with a high caliber round ". If your going to use illegal substances, whatever. Most of us are breaking the law as it is with pyrotechnics. We can justify it by being safe etc...but it is still against the law. I don't give a shit. Thats why I don't care if a person does pot. Harder drugs change the circumstances a bit though. Just don't justify it by saying " well it helps me relax " and " drugs don't hurt people ". Man up and admit you are willing to break the law for personal satisfaction. Hell, I would rather see marijuana in a convenience store than alcohol. Also, you have to define addictive to say that pot is or is not addictive. If you define it as a physical dependence on a substance to operate normally, then no. Marijuana is very mentaly addicting though.
Zeppelin Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Breaking the law is no big deal for me. Worst case scenario I get a slap on the hand and a tiny fine, but there is no way they would find out. Except if there was a rat. I have never been caught for anything, the cops here are either really chilled or really stupid.
asilentbob Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 RUUUUUN, do you drink soda? Coffee? Eat chocolate? (very very small dose in chocolate, IIRC.) I see where your coming with the painkillers, and i also don't really like the feeling that im dependant on a substance that eases the pain with the side effect of making it a little harder to think. Sometimes i do not taking pain killers for a differnt reason... In fact i don't take the numbing shots in the gums at the dentist's anymore when im getting a cavity drilled and filled simply because i realized that with the numbing it adds like 45 minutes that im just sitting around doing jack shit and drooling on myself. It really doesn't hurt much. Are you sure you don't dream? I know that for a long time i didn't have any dreams... perhaps a year or so... though, atleast thats what i thought at the time, then the idea that perhaps i just couldn't recall actually dreaming snuck into my head... seemed feasible in exactly the same way that it is damn near impossible to remember a few seconds before you fall asleep... ... Personally last night i dreampt a few things and i only remember bits and pieces, for one i remember blowing "O"'s in smoke with gandolf from the lord of the rings which i watched yesterday in english, the Os were probably in my dream because i found out how to make them perfectly every time in incense smoke, and the long white pipe with weird turnable (rotateable) bowl on the end could have symbolized the white clay at school (though i want to think that the pipe was near polished ivory in texture, you can still get that with clay, and i really havn't done as many things in ceramics as i should) and this joint hinge thing that i am trying to improvise on a flare gun thing im trying to make. I have no clue what i was smoking in my dream, but it wasn't seeming to effect me and gandolf was his same old mellow deep-in-thought self. There were probably other significant links, but those are the only ones that really stick. I can't remember the transitions between the stages or the order of the stages of my dream. I also remember asking this girl i really like out for ice cream, a movie, and dinner, so i woke up happy, then realized that i didn't and was pissed off at myself........... Eh, thats enough... My view on drugs is not very developed in my opinion, sure i have read a fair bit, seen first hand their usage and effects on friends, seen their effects on a certain blonde, which im not so sure is even their effects as she is just fucking dumb anyway. etc... Some drugs are necessary to save lifes, the deficiency of certain drugs in our bodys can be fatal as can over dose. Should drugs be used as recreation? Well... I drink a soda or coffee often, mmm tastes good, helps me wake up and speeds my metabolism a miniscule ammount. Recreation... in this case, certainly, i like what it does. Hell, pepper contains capsicin (sp), isn't this a drug too? Or does it just affect pain receptor or something? If it affects anything, would it not be a drug? Personally i LOVE spicey food. In other cases i agree that they shouldn't be used for instance at raves people shouldn't take X and end up getting way too hot and passing out or worse. Mushrooms... well... hmm... if it was a very light dose, i think i would be fine with it, as long as it doesn't indanger anyone. It would be more of a personal meditation thing in my opinion. Alcohol... well... when your on it, you often find yourself pushed to drink just a little more, usually when your with friends, but i know quite a few people that get completly shit faced by themselves. I have no clue where im going with this and im pretty tired, im off to bed. Oh, and attempting to eliminate it (recreation drugs, then the rebels, then the resistance) is moving closer to a police state... I for one do not want the possibility of being convicted of thoughtcrime... Hell, say bye-bye to evolution... I say, if your going to...always in moderation!
Defiant Pyro Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Another thing is what I call small, somewhat harmless hobbies like drug exploration and pyrotechnics plus other such small things that don't have to do with murder or theft is that if it becomes illegal.. There will always be a powerful black market for it, all of you remember the 1930's, the proabition . It was completly nuts then.. Amagine if they completly banned alcohol now and all these people who basically live to drink on the weekends would start forming underground drinking clubs (like raves) that would be shut down.. It's completly retarded. Even with pyrotechnics I've seen underground dealers for m-80s and cherry bombs and so that's still going to happen even though they're illegal. Punish people who use things wrong and not punish the rest of us for doing nothing wrong and being responsible. I think I should have to right to go to a coffee shop type place and buy a damn pound of weed if I want to. I want to go to a fireworks stand and buy 25g aerial flash salutes.. I wont do anything stupid and I wont hurt anyone, I'm not a dumbass. I don't want to be punished just because some people are fucking morons and burdens to sociotey. Fuck all you assholes who want to control me no matter what people will have their way illegal or legal. People who drive drunk: big penalty.Person who get's extremly shitface in their own home and doesn't harm anyone: no penalty.Person who grows a shitload of great weed: 10,000 dollar award and key to the city.
Zeppelin Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Defiantpyro, your awesome. Someone finally gets it . If you dont get what he said read it again, its beautiful. Peace zeppelin
TheSidewinder Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 This has proved an interesting thread. Some good points, some not so good. 99% opinion, but interesting nevertheless. Defiant Pyro said it quite well, I won't bother repeating it. And yeah, lol, whoever said ruuun (or however you spell it) would be shot soon after making himself Emperor of the United States was spot on. Thank God you DON'T run this country. A zealot is worse than a despot. And offtopic, but, the "Religious Right" is as bad as the "Liberal Left" these days. We need a new party, Centrist in nature, because the two parties we have now, do *NOT* represent the vast majority of folks who sit rather close to "in-between". That includes me. Choosing ANY candidate from the Reps or Dems is a lesson in choosing the lesser of two evils. I thought Dubya was an idiot who had no credibility, but I voted for him anyway, because he's still a damn sight better than that fucktard Kerry would have EVER been. Of course, this is only my opinion.... Those who choose to use drugs, are welcome to do so in the privacy of their own homes, or in the home of another. But to use them and then drive? Or operate, say.... an airplane, semi-truck, nuclear submarine, etc? No way! Common sense says that much. But common sense, in America at least, seems to have died an inglorious death long ago...... M
RUUUUUN Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 People should be very glad I don't run things. I would have a seperate continent devoted to pyro. I would completely wipe out drugs and alcohol. I would make our military something to be proud of not just some weaklings holding a gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know about best in the world. but that was only because early on we had the will to get ontop, now it is only technology that keeps us the top, the people are a bunch of weak, no load, pencil dicked, beggers! Boy do I despise ossifers who lead from the back. I think common sense died after the war of 1812.
somebody Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Personally I don't care much if someone smoke some weed or other soft drugs.Just use it wise and don't bring yourself or others in trouble in any way.Weed does mess you up, but I guess it depends on the person, I know ppl who smoke once in a while without any trouble, but also guys who smoke whole days straight and yes those are messed up.Just, like said, use it with common sence and not for running away from problems.Recreational drugs won't make your live any better. I don't use any drugs myself, except ethanol, which is actual stated as a hard drug.Btw, as dutch guy I am able to grow marihuana or 'mushrooms' in my backyard for personal use or buy them without getting in trouble.. Marihuana has changed btw, atleast the THC level did, the now growed pot has much more THC because of the growing technics.. Hard drugs are worse in my opinion, a lot of ppl tend to get really annoying under the influence of some drugs and or more dangerous if used without common sence.I know ppl who died from them or caused lots or trouble, but also people who don't cause trouble with them, so it depends on different factors.
murderskill Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 Thats true you cant get hooked on pot. I smoke most all my life since I was about 11. And 1 day i said im gonna quit everything cause I got a g/f i really cared about and she started making bad descisions. Thats the part when i said its not time to lay off the drugs. I quit smoking weed, cigs, and drinking. The hardest for me was quitting to smoke cigs. That is the drug i was addicted to. And dont say cigs are not drugs cause they are. I quit them all cold turkey in 1 day with 5 cigs left in my pack and gave them to a friend. Buts cigs were the hardest drug to quit for me.. But i quit them all simply because "I wanted to quit" People say ya im gonna try to quit smoking cigs. Their problem is that they like it and really dont want to quit. If you tell urself u want to quit then it shouldnt be terribly hard. After i quit drugs and stuff i saved soo much money and now i spend my money on fireworks and such instead of drugs. My anti-drug is pyrotechnics. Ps. my g/f is my anti-drug as well cause I love her with all of my heart and wont do anything to hurt us.
Mumbles Posted April 2, 2006 Posted April 2, 2006 I intentionally didn't reply until now. I just wanted to see what people had to say. I am personally fine with others using psychoactives. I use the term psychoactive, as it is more all encompassing to me. If my friends use them, fine with me. I will let them be about it. I'll help them with the effects, and the harms it may cause. I won't make drugs. Mostly because I do not trust myself, nor the purity of my chemicals. I should rephrase that, I am fine with it, as long as it is a "natural" drug. This means not refined, or altered things like cocaine or heroin. I won't help them a bit with those. I've tried a few, but I didn't like the effects of anything to ever use them more than a few times. I suppose I use alcohol, if you want to call that a drug. Being at college, it is a bit hard to get away from. I don't drink for the sole reason to get drunk, in fact I don't really enjoy being drunk. I never drive, and I know my limits. Blacking out is one of the scariest things to me. Even my use of caffeine is minimal. Again, I only use painkillers on occasion, when I need sleep for the morning, or it interupts my daily life. I think some psychoactives can be used as tools. They can be used to open up the mind. They alter perceptions, and sometimes that is what is needed in order to make great art, or theories, or music. Many of the great musicians in history used some sort of drug. Drug use goes back a long time. Indians going on "vision quests" was not a result of starvation as they may tell you in school. They used drugs. The indian "peace pipe" was not always tobacco. There are many theories of drug use in the bible. Some of the first images of the tree of knowledge was not actually a tree, but a mushroom known as Fly Agaric, or Amanita Muscaria. The mushrooms in Alice in Wonderland were the same type. They are red with white spots. There is a whole class of psychoactives known as ethenogens. I am very interested in these. Many are legal. They just have interesting effects, and potential for healthcare uses. These are sometimes used in eastern medicine, or holistic medicines. Just one thing about the dentist. If they are good, you don't even need painkillers. The painkillers are there more as a safety net if they hit the nerve. You can't actually feel pain from them drilling teeth, only pressure. I don't really like having my jaw numbed. I bit my lip once, and didn't realise it until blood started dripping on my paper. Nitrous oxide is kind of fun though, I do have to admit.
FrKoNaLeaSh1010 Posted April 3, 2006 Posted April 3, 2006 the only thing I have to say is that if you are sitting here knocking drugs and have yet never tried them...go fuck yourself and dont post in this thread ever again because you have no basis to open your mouth. People take drugs for many reasons. Also not all stoners are hippies....i personally hate hippies but i smoke every fucking day. refusing pain killers from a doctor is just fucking retarded.......you dont need to take 3 or 4 vicodins when you break your arm...take the prescribed 1 and let the people who take them recreationally take 3 or 4.........if you dont wanna do drugs fine...dont sit there and yell at the people who do...its everyones choice cause it only hurts ourselves.
RUUUUUN Posted April 3, 2006 Posted April 3, 2006 I don't take pain killers because I don't like how they effect my brain. I, unlike you apperently, Don't need to take drugs simply to see if they are bad, drugs rot your brain, I don't like what recreational drugs do to my brain, so I am not going to take a drug that has been known to rot your brain. In the long run what good thing comes from taking drugs?
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