starlight Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 are looking for some formulas for brocade horse tail , someone you know?
Mumbles Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 Moved to the pyrotechnic section. The composition section is for known compositions. Had you read the sticky at the top of the section, you would have seen this. Anyway, I am quite a fan of the slow gold formulation. 3/4" stars will nearly burn to the ground from a 6" shell around 500 feet up, leaving a beautiful shimmering gold tail that lasts for 20-30 seconds.
psyco_1322 Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 I want to try slow gold but I dont have any 40-80mesh sponge Ti. All I have is this damn needles from Firefox that was supposed to be 18-120mesh flake.
Mumbles Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 It will still probably work. You could probably replace the Ti with flitter Al and have a still very beautiful effect. The Ti burns out significantly faster than the charcoal anyway.
oskarchem Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 I have to say that I used some coarse Al flitter (home made in blender) and made some stars the comp was: 75 BP25 AlIt made butyful white stars with a very long lasting tail, man I have to make some more of those, these stars were pumped
psyco_1322 Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 Not sure if you have seen this Ti but its not very good for stars, well it works great but it just causes dificulties in production. You cut the stars and all the pieces where the cut is made gets pushed to the star bottome and makes the edge all torn up, same with pumped stars. Its great for salutes and stuff. Its all about the same diameter so screening it doesnt work, the long pieces go right through with the smaller pieces. Pic:http://s108.photobucket.com/albums/n3/psyc...nt=S4024116.jpg
Mumbles Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 Oskar, you know what a brocade is correct? That looks like it would preform in no way, shape, or form, anything that resembles a brocade. It might have good hang time, but you really need the slow burning willow type effect as well. psyco, I'd really suggest getting some titanium for use in slow gold. It takes very little Ti actually, and the effect is beautiful. Be forewarned though, to use it in big shells. It burns decievingly fast on the ground for how slow it burns in the air. Anything smaller than 5" or 6" may start a fire. The sparks hang for a long time, and will tend to collide with everything possible, including the ground. You will also probably want to use a ball shell for a harder break. Alternatively, you could use them like is suggested in the original post as a horse tail effect on top of a rocket or something.
crazyboy25 Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 What is this slow gold composition I keep hearing about I searched and found nothing.
Mumbles Posted June 1, 2008 Posted June 1, 2008 It was originally given by Dave Buell. Same Dave Buell of the Buell Red formulation. KNO3 - 36C - 29C (80) - 14S - 9Ti - 7Dex - 5 Ti is listed as 40-80 mesh sponge on Passfire. Like most formulas on passfire, it is limited by the chemicals in the database. It was likely originally made with a medium grain of Ti sponge. I tend to use SGRS, and cut the stars. The coarse Ti makes for bad times on my pumps.
psyco_1322 Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Here is a video of some stars made with the Ti, it also has a really long hang time some times <lol They where in an old excalibor casing i had laying around so it was timed for a second or so and I didnt feel like fixing it, i knew they'd hit the ground so I did it while it was wet down by the river. http://s108.photobucket.com/albums/n3/psyc...nt=S4024112.flv Another of a falls shell of the same stars. http://s108.photobucket.com/albums/n3/psyc...nt=S4023762.flv Now my firefly stars will sparkle to the ground almost garenteed.
Zmuro Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Is there any other brocade horse tail formula or just that one listed above?
Bonny Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Not sure if you have seen this Ti but its not very good for stars, well it works great but it just causes dificulties in production. You cut the stars and all the pieces where the cut is made gets pushed to the star bottome and makes the edge all torn up, same with pumped stars. Its great for salutes and stuff. Its all about the same diameter so screening it doesnt work, the long pieces go right through with the smaller pieces. Pic:http://s108.photobucket.com/albums/n3/psyc...nt=S4024116.jpg To get a smaller grade, you can try grinding the Ti in a blender with water. I do it with The Ti from Bob and it works great.
psyco_1322 Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 Hmm I thought about trying some water in with it....yah cause by its self in the coffee grinder its just a light show. Bobs Ti may grind up better than this though. Think a flaming shit star would make a good bracade? I personally am not too familar with the so called "bracade" effect. Ive seen some things claiming to be it but it just looked like a gltter star to me.
Mumbles Posted June 2, 2008 Posted June 2, 2008 There are tons of formulas for every effect. The one I posted above just happens to be one I have experience with and like.
Zmuro Posted June 3, 2008 Posted June 3, 2008 Which titanium is better for stars (T1) 225-450 um flake or (T3) 225-450 um granular?
starlight Posted June 3, 2008 Author Posted June 3, 2008 I saw some beads, brocade that the horse tail was with effect glitter yellow, white or know the formula of this effect?
Zmuro Posted June 22, 2008 Posted June 22, 2008 I want to try slow gold but I dont have any 40-80mesh sponge Ti. All I have is this damn needles from Firefox that was supposed to be 18-120mesh flake. Could you share the formula for slow gold composition?
pudidotdk Posted June 22, 2008 Posted June 22, 2008 It was originally given by Dave Buell. Same Dave Buell of the Buell Red formulation. KNO3 - 36C - 29C (80) - 14S - 9Ti - 7Dex - 5 Ti is listed as 40-80 mesh sponge on Passfire. Like most formulas on passfire, it is limited by the chemicals in the database. It was likely originally made with a medium grain of Ti sponge. I tend to use SGRS, and cut the stars. The coarse Ti makes for bad times on my pumps. Posted by Mumbles a few posts ago.
Zmuro Posted June 22, 2008 Posted June 22, 2008 Could you post some additional formulas for brocade stars?
FREAKYDUTCHMEN Posted June 22, 2008 Posted June 22, 2008 TT + 5% Titanium, not to coarse. I use 100/250 mesh. Leave 50% of your charcoal out of the ballmill and ad it with the Ti afterwards.
Zmuro Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 TT + 5% Titanium, not to coarse. I use 100/250 mesh. Leave 50% of your charcoal out of the ballmill and ad it with the Ti afterwards. What mesh should be the charcoal that isn't ball milled?
Bonny Posted January 7, 2010 Posted January 7, 2010 Flogging a dead Horse here...I nned to make a Horsetail/waterfall shell in 4 days for mom's 60th. She actually requested it. I know slow gold is nice, but was thinking more of a silver streaming effect. Any good formula ideas (that don't take too long to dry) would be great. Next question- how do you make a shell break like a waterfall or horsetail? Stars in 1 hemi, burst in the other? Should the break be softer than a regular brocade shell? I will be making a 3" can as I just realized my 5" guns are out of town NEED HELP ASAP- have to make some stars tomorrow!
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