nick2354 Posted November 16, 2007 Posted November 16, 2007 Hey everyone, I might be going to a hydroponics store tomorrow and i was wondering what i should ask for, because im young and when i ask for potassium nitrate they look at me as if im just making up word's So could anyone tell me whats the Product name / Use in Hydroponic's. One more thing i remember reading back on this forum about other stuff you can buy from Hydroponic stores, could someone tell me. I remember hearing about Nitric acid, Sodium Nitrate and some other stuff. thankyou!
Mumbles Posted November 16, 2007 Posted November 16, 2007 There is a slight chance that you will need to be 18 regardless of what you're getting. There are a few around here that are like that, mostly to try to at least partially discourage the use of hydroponics to grow marijuana, If thats not the case for you, potassium nitrate is the word to use. "Soluble nitrate fertilizer" may work too, but then again you're likely to get sodium or ammonium as well. They will probably try to sell you some pre-mixed stuff, but just say that you have some, but it is a bit lacking in the nitrate derived nitrogen. Nitric acid is sold as pH down, but it's only certain brands. Phosophoric acid is actually MUCH more common. You're better off to see what brands they have, and look them up.
Berksglh Posted November 16, 2007 Posted November 16, 2007 I don’t like asking to many questions in those situations, as they can soon tell your not into hydroponics, and may get suspicious. It just draws attention. Likewise just telling them your just looking around can do the same… Catch 22. Look for a fertilizer with a grade of ‘13-0-44’. I just preformed a quick search, and without looking much I found a product made by General hydroponics called ‘MaxiGro’. Unfortunately it’s a 15-5-54 fertilizer. Closest thing I could find in a few clicks. It may be good enough? I don’t know. But at $8.66 a Lbs. stump remover is a better option, and it’s more pure. So unless you find a version of 13-0-44 for less then $5.00 a Lbs. ?? Let us know what you find. I’m interested in sourcing other options as well. $5.00 a Lbs. is getting expensive the I get more into this hobby.
WarezWally Posted November 16, 2007 Posted November 16, 2007 Grab a bag of ammonium nitrate while your there, always comes in handy See if they have any nitric acid based pH down, chances are they wont. If you find a pH down product and it doesnt list the active ingredient write the name down and grab the MSDS for it when you get home. If the ask any questions say you grow hydro tomato's and need the nitric acid as they are in their vegetative growth stage. If they try push a diffrent useless product on you say you have a manual that recommends chemical X and only chemical X.
jacob Posted November 16, 2007 Posted November 16, 2007 Berksglh, i sell KNO3, usually for less then $5.00 lb including shipping. are you in the US?
nick2354 Posted November 16, 2007 Author Posted November 16, 2007 No, i live in South Australia and besides my parents dont like me buying stuff off the internet.
deadman Posted November 17, 2007 Posted November 17, 2007 Grants, spectracide, and green light brand stump removers are all decent enough for use in pyrotechnics.
nick2354 Posted November 17, 2007 Author Posted November 17, 2007 deadman i don't know how many American's i have to tell you this, BUT WHERE IM FROM (AUSTRALIA) KNO3 IS NOT SOLD AS A STUMP REMOVER.
WarezWally Posted November 17, 2007 Posted November 17, 2007 Yes it is but no body stocks it, you can get it ordered in at some hardware stores Forget the AN and nitric acid
Phildo Posted November 17, 2007 Posted November 17, 2007 I wouldn't try pretending you know about hydroponics with a professional. Do you really feel confident trying to BS your way through any questions they might ask? Tell them you're going to try growing tomatoes in a friends greenhouse and he told you he needs KNO3. If they try to sell you something else, it's easy to tell them that since this is the first time you guys have tried this, your buddy wants to get exactly what his book or article said to use. Now, you have put the decision making on your "buddy" and you don't need to try to come up with any BS if the shop owner questions you.
tentacles Posted November 17, 2007 Posted November 17, 2007 I've noticed a lot of hydro shops are run by "smokers" - these are folks who very well understand having a hobby/passtime that is illegal and would not mind in the least, allowing you to pursue your own.
ActiveA Posted November 17, 2007 Posted November 17, 2007 No, i live in South Australia and besides my parents dont like me buying stuff off the internet. Ah. A fellow Australian. If you live in Adelaide i can hook you up with one of my contacts. I think its $30 for 2-3Kg but I'm not sure if he still stocks it. I live in NSW, i won't specify where, but you need to be able to buy off the internet. Its the only way you will really grow as a pyro.
nick2354 Posted November 18, 2007 Author Posted November 18, 2007 Okay what part of Adelaide he from?
ActiveA Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 I pm'd you with my Email address. I checked with my friend and its $50 for 5 Kgs He's in the SW part of Adelaide.\ Hope it helps.
rocket Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 I can think of 6 including me but there may be more.
ActiveA Posted November 18, 2007 Posted November 18, 2007 I can think of 6 including me but the may be more. I love the feeling of knowing there are other competent pyro's in Aus. Know we all have to be fairly secret about our location, but I'm in NSW. 1 in a few million. I should be safe.
paulsar Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 I'm not in Australia (Canadian here) but I thought I would have had the hardest time finding KNO3 here.No stump remover in any of the hardware stores. I walked into a Hydroponics shop and straight up asked the guy for KNO3.Walked out with a 25lb bucket for $50. As was mentioned, the guys that run these places are typically smokers so they aren't always on the ball if you know what I mean.At least the one I was dealing with wasn't.
deadman Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 Nick2354: I was only trying to help you out. I am not from Australia and do not care to know what is or is not readily available from most stores. What I do care about is the fact that you are one of many australians interested in pyro and the only one on a forum that has started a thread on what lie to tell to a business owner on why you want to buy their product. Writing in all caps lock on a forum is equivalent to yelling and is irritating to even those who it is not directed towards. I am not from australia and was able to find that most soils in australia are very deprived of potassium nutrients. I did this all by using the flipping search engine.
nick2354 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Posted November 19, 2007 deadman, im sorry okay, its just annoying for me and many other aussies cause all i hear is that it is sold as a fertilizer and stump remover (which of course isn't true in Australia). btw: when i write in caps i am not screaming, but yet merely making a pint
daron Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 nick i too am in south australia the growers state hehehei went to my local hydro shop said i want a 2 kilo bucket of kno3 and they didnt ask any questions the first time i asked the guy looked funny at me took the company sticker off tub and wiped his figerprints off tub and pushed it to me with a stick hehehe i tryed chemical companys and they all said sorry cant sell it to you
WarezWally Posted November 19, 2007 Posted November 19, 2007 The first time i asked the guy looked funny at me took the company sticker off tub and wiped his figerprints off tub and pushed it to me with a stick hehehe I had no problems buying a 50kg bag from a fertilizer supplier
nick2354 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Posted November 19, 2007 Daren could you PM which Hydro store you went to because i know there use to be lots but like half of them have shut down in the past 5 years.
nick2354 Posted January 15, 2008 Author Posted January 15, 2008 Okay, this is just a follow up post on a thread i started a while ago. I managed to get KNO3 from a hydroponic store. I asked the store owner for it when I walked In (with my mother), he replied "I can sell you nutrient "X" which Is the exact same thing". After handing over Nutrient "X" he asked what I was using it for, then he said well, I suppose I shouldn't ask. I told him Smoke bombs, he just told me to be careful and don't do anything in glass. I asked why It is sold as nutrient "X" he said It was because by law we are not allowed to sell It as Potassium Nitrate. I then joked around and asked If he sold Ammonia Nitrate he replied with "Oh god no". It turns out it was a good thing that my mum was with me, because I had to be 18 to purchase KNO3. On the drive home, I realized how 9/11 is a bitch. All this Fear Mongering, Im sure Hitler would be proud. Except for the Jew's still being here
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