Tweetybird88 Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 I was thinking about starting a small pyro supply company that sells the basics for pyro. Is this a feasable idea or are there tons of laws and inspections that you must comply to? It would be nice if anyone on here that does a little supplying could give me the guidelines.
jacob Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 I think this is a great idea, we can allways use another pyro supplier,i would definitely suggest haveing potassium perchlorate and maybe potassium chlorate. you could use freewebs as a web site or just sell by email i would also advise looking in to paypal (if you haven't already), please don't let this idea just fade away, we need things like this.
Tweetybird88 Posted August 2, 2007 Author Posted August 2, 2007 I really would want to do this. I would love to have my own buisness. I was wondering though, if there any laws I need to comply with besides those of USPS and UPS because I know these.
jacob Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 I don't think there are any laws if you are not a ''Official'' business, you can still sell stuff and since your small and technically not a company you won't have to handle sales tax or anything, kind of like an ebay store.
Tweetybird88 Posted August 2, 2007 Author Posted August 2, 2007 OK. I haven't been able to contact hummel by email. Do you have to call to get some information. I just need to know their prices. I've saved up $1500 for this so I assume that will be enough for my start-up. I already use paypal all the time so that's not a problem. Would I need to pay taxes? I'm under 18. Also can anyone give suggestion for the best chemicals to get. The common oxidisers of course.
jacob Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 You don't have to pay taxes if your sending it out of state or if your not officialy a business. as for the best stuff to get i would say potassium perchlorate, potassium chlorate, strontium nitrate, and ammonium perchlorate, there are enough sources of flash grade al and potassium nitrate alleady, i tried to call them a few days ago and they seemed reel up tight, but maybe if your nice and you get the right person it'l work out. best of luck. ps, nice avatar.
Tweetybird88 Posted August 2, 2007 Author Posted August 2, 2007 Should I get things that you can't get from skylighter like barium nitrate and chlorate and silicone (which makes a hell of a blue, I need to post a video) I know how to ship those legally, or is it just a way to attract attention to me?
optimus Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 barium nitrate and chlorate and silicon (which makes a hell of a blue, I need to post a video) Could you elaborate on that comp? Never heard of it and it sounds interesting! I take it you mean Silicone, as per the GE Silicone AP blue?
Tweetybird88 Posted August 2, 2007 Author Posted August 2, 2007 Yes I meant silicone I believe this is it: Potassium perchlorate.............................70Silicone..........................................10Copper(II)oxide...................................10PVC...............................................15 The blue part is a very blue. It does tend to wash out a little bit sometimes. I really like it because it is a very noticable blue. I think it could use a little tweaking and could be brilliant.
jacob Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 I tried the AP comp like that, i didn't think it looked too good, but back on topic, if you know how to ship those legally i would get them.
Mumbles Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 Barium nitrate and chlorate can't be shipped without a hazmat boc, and hazmat certification. I don't know if you need an ATF explosive licence to order from hummel croton, but I would imagine you have to be at least 18. If you're really interested in this, contact me privately and I will be able to help you find some suppliers that don't require licences.
tentacles Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 From what I have heard, Hummel and Service both require an ATF license of some sort. I think Hummel requires a type 20.
lja Posted August 3, 2007 Posted August 3, 2007 You are definately going to be responsible for income taxes. As far as sales taxes go, check your state laws. You will most likely be responsible for collecting sales tax in your own state (and sending it in to the state of course). I would suggest you limit the types of chems you sell, if you want to sell oxidizers- avoid selling fuels. Thats how Firefox got nailed. They sold the components to make salutes together and to an illegal manufacturer, when he got nailed he fingered them. If you just sell oxidizers, binders and colorants you leave little for them to accuse you of. Your biggest headache is going to be shipping and the the associated regulations. Pay the taxes and keep good records, better to pay than give big brother the leverage he needs over you.
Tweetybird88 Posted August 3, 2007 Author Posted August 3, 2007 Ok, good advice. I would definatley not sell flash grade aluminum. Since money is a factor, I would start with the basics and such and hopefully add-on and add-on.
Tweetybird88 Posted August 6, 2007 Author Posted August 6, 2007 Unforunatley for this idea I have new financial priorities (i.e. computers cost so ****ing much!). So hopefully I can rally up some funds to put this idea back up.
jacob Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 if you want to sell oxidizers- avoid selling fuels. That IS good advice, i suggest being as strict as skylighter, as in If you decline three of someones orders don't let them buy from you ever again, no oxidizers on your first order and order history reviews to make darn sure they are not makeing illegal salutes.
Funnlecake Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 It would be a great idea. I need a source for chemicals that will ship to people under 21. I'm in bad need for oxidizers for stars and whistle and unwilling to pay forty dollars a pound.Also as a note, make it like an email order system at first until you're sure you can handle all the orders in case a lot of people want to do business with you.
DeAdFX Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 I would take it one step further and conduct bussiness with only reputable people from the various pyro discussion places. It may be more difficult to be profitable but it will likely help with legal issues. If you can keep your prices between Fire fox and skylighter (or cheaper) than I will for sure be interested in conducting bussiness with you.
jacob Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 I think DeAdFX has a great idea, say before you accept someones first order, look over there posts and decide if you want to sell to them, and if they aren't on any pyro boards, refer them to passfire,apc,ukpyro and the like.
Tweetybird88 Posted September 12, 2007 Author Posted September 12, 2007 OK, I have rallied up some new funds and was interested in selling just potassium chlorate/perchlorate. Hummel requires an ATF license. Is there someplace that doesn't. I have $500, is that enough?
frogy Posted September 12, 2007 Posted September 12, 2007 Uhmmm... I'm not sure on the supplier... Maybe contact Phildo, he's going to be selling KClO4 soon and he might be nice enough to hook you up with his supplier... just adding more competition though... I don't know if $500 is enough, that should get you like 50 lbs. of each shipped if I remember what someone told me suppliers charge... If I was you I might ask some of my friends to invest in your business and give them some interest back on their money... Like 9% interest, compounded monthly... If you have good prices and move your chemicals fast you should be selling a lot of things fast and making back all the money you borrowed to pay the people before the interest piles up plus a lot of profit.... I just bought 8 lbs of perchlorate, but I'm due for some chlorate...
Tweetybird88 Posted September 12, 2007 Author Posted September 12, 2007 I don't know if $500 is enough, that should get you like 50 lbs. of each shipped if I remember what someone told me suppliers charge... I hope its not that much because I could get 50 pounds of each from skylighter for $600
Mumbles Posted September 12, 2007 Posted September 12, 2007 $500 wont be enough for both. The thing with bulk chemicals is there is container amounts. Perc, well chinese perc at least, comes in 100(HP-140) and 110 (std chinese) pound drums. These run around $340 from a kind of pricey supplier. Direct from the manufacturer you be crazy to pay more than $2 a pound. Chlorate comes in 275lb drums. These run about $670 from the same pricy supplier. If you live in the vicinity of Michigan, pm me, and I can give you some contact info on him. I'd also suggest joining passfire, there are some group perc buys supposedly going through. They'd probably be able to hook you up with a few drums.
jacob Posted September 13, 2007 Posted September 13, 2007 May i suggest geting perchlorate first, then chlorate, also i disagree with you frogy, i don't think borrowing money is a good idea, but it is your choice Tweetybird.
tentacles Posted September 13, 2007 Posted September 13, 2007 I agree, chlorate doesn't have the demand that perchlorate does. And forget the HP-140/150 crap, it's full of insoluble impurities - like 10%, and apparently a calcium compound.. which is great if you want orange/red colors. (see http://www.bentspoonsystems.com/MaterialsR...orateNotes.pdf) On the other note, the GB is supposed to end up like $4/lb including freight in 50kg drum quantities. Not really that spectacular, but pretty damn good considering the freight is in there. It will be the regular chinese stuff - not HP140/150.
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