Ben Posted August 6 Posted August 6 I am trying to find a good source of ammonium nitrate, but more chemistry rated products are very expensive, whereas there is cheaper alternative in which it is calcium ammonium nitrate but I am not sure if I could achieve the same result with that
Zumber Posted August 6 Posted August 6 Ammonium nitrate is hygroscopic and it has no use in pyrotechnic formulations. What are you trying to do?
All10Fingers Posted August 7 Posted August 7  Let me guess, instant cold packs? You can dissolve it in hot water and run it through a coffee filter. The calcium will filter out. Also fireworks cookbook sells pure ammonium nitrate for 2.50 a pound. I recently bought out all they had so you may have to wait for them to restock... And then jump on it fast because they always sell out quick. 1
Powertech Posted August 7 Posted August 7 (edited) 9 hours ago, Zumber said: Ammonium nitrate is hygroscopic and it has no use in pyrotechnic formulations. What are you trying to do? It does have uses, just not by you. As stated, it is, or at least was sold on a major site. Like I stated on another post earlier. Why not actually try to help people out instead of just saying don't use it.   Do a search on you tube for removing calcium from calcium ammonium nitrate, and you will find a few videos that could be useful.  Edited August 7 by Powertech
Powertech Posted August 7 Posted August 7 3 hours ago, All10Fingers said:  Let me guess, instant cold packs? You can dissolve it in hot water and run it through a coffee filter. The calcium will filter out. Also fireworks cookbook sells pure ammonium nitrate for 2.50 a pound. I recently bought out all they had so you may have to wait for them to restock... And then jump on it fast because they always sell out quick. You dirty little rascal, don't blame you though. Â
Ben Posted August 7 Author Posted August 7 20 hours ago, Zumber said: Ammonium nitrate is hygroscopic and it has no use in pyrotechnic formulations. What are you trying to do? Aluminum powderÂ
Ben Posted August 7 Author Posted August 7 14 hours ago, All10Fingers said:  Let me guess, instant cold packs? You can dissolve it in hot water and run it through a coffee filter. The calcium will filter out. Also fireworks cookbook sells pure ammonium nitrate for 2.50 a pound. I recently bought out all they had so you may have to wait for them to restock... And then jump on it fast because they always sell out quick. But let's say, if I were to not filter it would it affect its reaction if hypothetically I mix it aluminum powderÂ
All10Fingers Posted August 7 Posted August 7 I'm not certain. But if I've were to speculate, I would guess it would depend on how much calcium is present in the mix. If it were less than 10% it may still work. But if I recall correctly, the stuff I seen listed calcium before ammonium nitrate in the label I read. That would indicate theres more calcium than actual nitrate. which hypothetically would be an issue. It might work, I honestly don't know. I'm just an uneducated redneck who's knowledge only goes as far as what I read on my phone. But you could always try and see what happens. Let me know if you do cause I'm interested to hear how it goes. Are you thinking of making tannerite? Like to shoot at? Or blasting thru bedrock? Have you considered using diesel in the mix? You know... HypotheticallyÂ
Ben Posted August 7 Author Posted August 7 (edited) 46 minutes ago, All10Fingers said: I'm not certain. But if I've were to speculate, I would guess it would depend on how much calcium is present in the mix. If it were less than 10% it may still work. But if I recall correctly, the stuff I seen listed calcium before ammonium nitrate in the label I read. That would indicate theres more calcium than actual nitrate. which hypothetically would be an issue. It might work, I honestly don't know. I'm just an uneducated redneck who's knowledge only goes as far as what I read on my phone. But you could always try and see what happens. Let me know if you do cause I'm interested to hear how it goes. Are you thinking of making tannerite? Like to shoot at? Or blasting thru bedrock? Have you considered using diesel in the mix? You know... Hypothetically Some what making tannerite or anything similar for cheaper if possible, and no I can't just buy tannerite bcs there is no tannerite in my country (indoneisa), the most common and cheap source of ammonium nitrate is fertilizer (calcium ammonium nitrite). Not trying to blast thru anything just wanna blow up big ass trees, and also I've looked into ANFO but I've heard they are heard to ignite, and the only thing that I could use as a blasting cap is those like small firecrackers hypothetically Edited August 7 by Ben Missed 1 word
Ben Posted August 7 Author Posted August 7 I mean like shit I could buy all the material to make black powder for cheap and with my budget to buy ammonium nitrate I could yield around 10kg and could make more in which making 10kg would cost me around 17 usd
All10Fingers Posted August 7 Posted August 7 Well 27%+12% doesn't make 100 so there's probably other stuff in their.i think proper ammon nitrate should be more like 55% nitrogen. And it's always gunna be hard to initiate. I'm sure there's a way, but I don't know what it is.Â
AustralianPyromaniac Posted August 8 Posted August 8 (edited) The whole point of adding the calcium compounds to the ammonium nitrate is to make it harder to use in terrorist attacks, but equally good at fertilizing. Either calcium oxide or nitrate is added. Both are excellent phlegmatisers, so my guess would be, no, it will almost certainly not work, although it may burn. You can remove the calcium if you can identify what form it is in, if you have the chemistry knowledge to separate the ammonium nitrate out you are probably smart enough to handle it safely as well. 6 hours ago, All10Fingers said: Well 27%+12% doesn't make 100 so there's probably other stuff in their.i think proper ammon nitrate should be more like 55% nitrogen. And it's always gunna be hard to initiate. I'm sure there's a way, but I don't know what it is. This data is given in NPK form, which converts to around 77% NH4NO3. The balance is calcium oxide + hydroxide + impurities and moisture. Edited August 8 by AustralianPyromaniac
All10Fingers Posted August 8 Posted August 8 I thought it broke be npk. I know what that is. I was confused cause I only seen 2 numbers. As far as my experience it's always been 3. Nitrogen- phosphorus- potassium. Ammonium nitrates npk is something like 44-0-0. I've always wondered why we can't use urea nitrate as it has higher nitrogen than all the other nitrates we actually use.Â
Ben Posted August 8 Author Posted August 8 3 hours ago, AustralianPyromaniac said: The whole point of adding the calcium compounds to the ammonium nitrate is to make it harder to use in terrorist attacks, but equally good at fertilizing. Either calcium oxide or nitrate is added. Both are excellent phlegmatisers, so my guess would be, no, it will almost certainly not work, although it may burn. You can remove the calcium if you can identify what form it is in, if you have the chemistry knowledge to separate the ammonium nitrate out you are probably smart enough to handle it safely as well. This data is given in NPK form, which converts to around 77% NH4NO3. The balance is calcium oxide + hydroxide + impurities and moisture. I mean fair enough I live in a country, that has a lot of terrorist attacks, I'm as of 3 days ago some guy bombed a buddhist temple with a pressure based explosive something similar the the Boston bombing
All10Fingers Posted August 8 Posted August 8 Boston was black powder in a pressure cooker. But the Taliban loves fertilizer and peroxide bombs... Don't try that
Mumbles Posted August 12 Posted August 12 Discussion of HE topics is not allowed outside of the dedicated section. Â
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