Is APC dying out?

[Richtee]

I understand the problem of newbies, but what is the problem with people from other countries?

 

I kinda admire the “hoops” they sometimes have to go thru due to stricter controls on materials, yet still “git R done”!

 

(On edit- I see SW mentioned this too...LOL)

Edited February 2, 2020 by Richtee

[FlareLauncher]

My opinion on APC - (God knows you have ALL been on pins and needles to hear it) is its such a wonderful place to ask and learn. The Admins here screen well. I don't think there is ANYONE on the Forum that wants to make a "kewl sparkler bomb" or wants a recipe for 20 pounds of flash. That makes me happy and feel very comfortable. I have had members contact me in the past and explain why xyz question was possibly not well thought out, etc... I am in many ways, still a 'noob'. I really enjoy the hobby, and always feel like I can ask a question and get a quality, non-judgmental answer. I lurk much more than I post, but I learn something every visit! So, Thanks...

[snapper]

free forums like this provide information to everyone whether it be right, wrong or dangerous and attracts huge numbers of people that give nothing back, complain and offer nothing in return while only taking information and asking for more and are hotbeds for intellectual theft, copyright infringements and misinformation--props to admins for trying to keep the trash out. IMO it should be ran more like a school with limited access until competence and activity prompts more responsibility and knowledge.The formula database in here is miniscule and no one except a tiny handful actively try to create, share or decipher more and they all know and talk to each other to keeping it to themselves.

Fireworking is pay to play but is full of folks all trying to move forward and work together sharing their abilities and experience to do so plus contains much better basic information. Its neds site but he is just another hobbyist who wishes to compile information and store it for others using that website to do it.

 

Nothing in life is free , your safety depends on the correct information and experiences of others sharing as a community, the safety of others around you depends on your ability to comprehend that information and apply it. It only takes one dumbass to make something and use it dangerous to ruin it for everyone. In our current time where everyone is such a fearful pussy that they demand laws instead of using common sense this has become even more important.

[pyrokid]

Nothing in life is free. That's why this site and other resources like it on the web are so valuable. The notion that good information should be held behind a paywall or other barrier is patently absurd. Those who are truly passionate about pyrotechnics can,will,do engage in the free exchange of ideas and information. We all owe a huge debt to mumbles and whoever else played a role in making APC what it is.

[SharkWhisperer]

free forums like this provide information to everyone whether it be right, wrong or dangerous and attracts huge numbers of people that give nothing back, complain and offer nothing in return while only taking information and asking for more and are hotbeds for intellectual theft, copyright infringements and misinformation--props to admins for trying to keep the trash out. IMO it should be ran more like a school with limited access until competence and activity prompts more responsibility and knowledge.The formula database in here is miniscule and no one except a tiny handful actively try to create, share or decipher more and they all know and talk to each other to keeping it to themselves.

 

Fireworking is pay to play but is full of folks all trying to move forward and work together sharing their abilities and experience to do so plus contains much better basic information. Its neds site but he is just another hobbyist who wishes to compile information and store it for others using that website to do it.

 

Nothing in life is free , your safety depends on the correct information and experiences of others sharing as a community, the safety of others around you depends on your ability to comprehend that information and apply it. It only takes one dumbass to make something and use it dangerous to ruin it for everyone. In our current time where everyone is such a fearful pussy that they demand laws instead of using common sense this has become even more important.

"free forums like this provide information to everyone whether it be right, wrong or dangerous and attracts huge numbers of people that give nothing back, complain and offer nothing in return while only taking information and asking for more" I call patent horseshit on this assessment! This site is loaded with bright, experienced pyros who simply do not allow overtly "wrong" and especially "dangerous" information to propagate without correction. So bullshit, Snapper. Complete and abject bullshit.

 

"The formula database in here is miniscule and no one except a tiny handful actively try to create, share or decipher more and they all know and talk to each other to keeping it to themselves." On your first point, I concede. Yes, the formulary here is not expansive. But everybody knows where to find, or direct others, to already established formularies and tutorials. Perhaps we could work on this, but personally, I've never had difficulty locating what I'm looking for. On your second point, I again call bullshit. Folks here absolutely experiment, troubleshoot, and SHARE development of new comps and effects. To say otherwise is nonsensical.

 

Fireworking is great, too, but is by no means revolutionary, particularly unique, or any better than APC insofar as "folks all trying to move forward and work together sharing their abilities and experience"... Again, you type horseshit.

 

If you think a pyro website with a paywall is a critical determinant in improving the quality of information exchanged, and the intellect and ingenuity of participating members, then you are exceptionally naive. And narrow-minded. And flat-out mistaken. Not to mention that there are many very bright pyros across the world who have limited finances but expansive brainpower and imagination. So their $40 might be, for their budgets, better spent on chems than your $40, which might be trivial to you.

 

I and many others here enjoy and appreciate what FW has to offer, but you seem to be a Ned shill who spews unsubstantiated nonsensical criticism of APC.

 

But hey, opinions are like assholes--everybody's got one. We've heard your opinion now, and I'm sure we're all impressed with how poorly thought out yours is, and the paucity of evidence that you have provided to support it.

Edited February 13, 2020 by SharkWhisperer

[memo]

shark, you dont seem to like very much.... you could always crawl back in your hole from where you came. dont know if you birth person would be very happy ,.. but i would be.

[SharkWhisperer]

Hey, when somebody puts forth strong critical opinions, it is their onus to substantiate those opinions with facts.

 

And your latest input is about equally informative, and about as useful as tits on a bull, ffs.

 

Now say something useful.

[NeighborJ]

Memo I keep trying to tell myself to be patient with him. Maybe he forgets to take his meds frequently or maybe he's just completely oblivious to the fact he should be?

 

For whatever reason we seem to be stuck with him. Well? Maybe we are only stuck until he chases everyone away and the forum does "die out". Whatever happens It won't take long.

[SharkWhisperer]

So are we to infer that Memo and the Neighbor share Snapper's views of APC being useless or even dangerous?

 

Try to stay on topic, ladies.

[memo]

you are a prick, well read but still a prick. cant wait for you to leave. im sure im not the first person to tell you this, probably you been told your whole life you are a ass hole and with good reason.

[SharkWhisperer]

you are a prick, well read but still a prick. cant wait for you to leave. im sure im not the first person to tell you this, probably you been told your whole life you are a ass hole and with good reason.

I'll repeat my query, Nemo, and request we drop the playground name-calling:

 

Let's please return to topic. We all would be very interested in your thoughts on what Snapper opined about the value, or lack thereof, of the APC forum/site.

 

Seriously, your insights and observations would be helpful to many here.

 

A genuine request...

Edited February 13, 2020 by SharkWhisperer

[memo]

shark , ok . snapper is a new guy. his thought at least some of them are aimed at you. do i think fireworking is a good site , yes i do i am a member. as far as apc goes its a great site. proud to be members of both. under my name and neighbor j name the is some thing that you dont have and that is a donator sticker along with many other people . that means we send money to support this free site. what are you doing besides stirring shit ?

[SharkWhisperer]

shark , ok . snapper is a new guy. his thought at least some of them are aimed at you. do i think fireworking is a good site , yes i do i am a member. as far as apc goes its a great site. proud to be members of both. under my name and neighbor j name the is some thing that you dont have and that is a donator sticker along with many other people . that means we send money to support this free site. what are you doing besides stirring shit ?

Re donations: Actually, I pm'd Mumbles the other day to request he update the opening page to reflect that it is no longer 2018, and to update proceeds received to date. Being a donor, however, does not increase the value of your opinion or your knowledge.

 

Besides Snapper being a new guy, and aiming thoughts at me (unclear what you mean by this; please expound), all you've said is "apc is a great site.". You have not addressed Snapper's allegations that the APC folks are full of selfish people who do not share, and who promote dangerous practices.

 

So, I'll ask you again, what are your thoughts on Snapper's specific allegations. I addressed each one. It would be nice to hear other assessments, yours included.

[memo]

i have said what i am going to say, i am not going to answer you questions because i really dont give a shit. your just a fucking internet troll and a waist of time

[SharkWhisperer]

i have said what i am going to say, i am not going to answer you questions because i really dont give a shit. your just a fucking internet troll and a waist of time

What is a "waist" of time? Oh, you mean "waste"?

 

It's not just my question. Everybody reading this thread is curious about your specific opinions, but you choose not to share them and instead choose to insult a stranger whose apparently upset your delicate sensibilities by suggesting that your donor status confers neither royalty nor equals your pyro expertise. You're retired and are blowing off baby rockets on the beach in Costa Rica, ffs, waiting for your next SSI check to get deposited in a US bank so you can eat something besides rice n beans for the next 2 weeks.

 

Ok, angry crotchety old fart. Probably needing a nap to recharge the batteries a bit. Own a golf cart?

 

Does anybody else have any serious opinions on Snappy's scathing assessment of the worthlessness of the APC forum?

 

This thread is about addressing the true value and deficiencies of APC, objectively.

 

Opinions and ideas are very welcome!

Edited February 13, 2020 by SharkWhisperer

[SharkWhisperer]

shark , ok . snapper is a new guy. his thought at least some of them are aimed at you. do i think fireworking is a good site , yes i do i am a member. as far as apc goes its a great site. proud to be members of both. under my name and neighbor j name the is some thing that you dont have and that is a donator sticker along with many other people . that means we send money to support this free site. what are you doing besides stirring shit ?

Hey Amigo,

 

I just donated $41, a whole buck more than Ned's annual dues, to APC. It might take Mumbles a short while to update me to "Donor" status after PayPal confirms payment. Oh, will you tell us the exact dollar figure that YOU donated to APC?

 

It seems this means that I am now in the "extra special" Old Boys Club with you, and not just an APC "troll". We are brothers now!!!! I'm so excited!

 

Damn, I already feel so much smarter. And important! And now, as a donor, do I also get to spew sanctimonious bullshit like you do? Whoo hoo!!!

 

Nonetheless, if you ever care to share your detailed objective opinions on Snapper's harsh critique of APC, we would all still like to read it. That IS the topic of this thread.

 

So I guess that's what I'm doing "besides stirring shit".

 

Enjoy your siesta. Fool.

Edited February 13, 2020 by SharkWhisperer

[memo]

FUCK YOU ASS HOLE

or should i say troll

Edited February 13, 2020 by memo

[SharkWhisperer]

FUCK YOU ASS HOLE

or should i say troll

I do believe you are off topic once again. That's really no way to speak to a donating APC brother, now is it?

 

Perhaps you are related to J Biden? You keep missing the point. But at your age, I guess that's not unexpected.

 

I iterate, in the original spirit of this thread: What are your true opinions of the value and limits of APC?

 

And more importantly, what are your suggestions for improving APC?

 

SW

 

p.s. "asshole" is one word...

Edited February 13, 2020 by SharkWhisperer

[NeighborJ]

Banning Shark whisperer would go a long way to preserving this community. Yes, I'm still on topic.

[OldMarine]

I concur. Nothing kills a party quicker than a turd in the punchbowl.

[SharkWhisperer]

The topic is the quality and value of diverse aspects of the APC forum.

 

Not trivial tit-for-tats. Or the mere suggestion (outrageous) of "banning" a fellow pyro for irritating a couple of Susies. And I ain't going nowhere unless you can afford endless legal interrogations. So deal with a different style of communication. I have gotten called a troll and an asshole in the same message. And a turd, too. Strong opinions but not so creative (I hope your pyro is more creative) but who cares? It's funny! That all ya got? Start a new thread then; it's not helpful here.

 

Sheesh, let's get a bit more objective now, can we? I started this thread for a damned good reason, and the reason still remains valid, and important to all of us if we don't want "APC dying out", ffs.

 

We all test boundaries with new comps. Some folks here seem to have very delicate personal boundries, and feel they are being tested. Not my problem--I'm here to talk pyro!

 

Reiteration: What are the best aspects of APC and what would benefit from improvement?

Edited February 13, 2020 by SharkWhisperer

[spectra1]

"You're retired and are blowing off baby rockets on the beach in Costa Rica, ffs, waiting for your next SSI check to get deposited in a US bank so you can eat something besides rice n beans for the next 2 week"

 

....what were you saying again about playground name-calling?

[wildcherryxoxo]

And I ain't going nowhere unless you can afford endless legal interrogations.[/b]

Wait, what?!

[spectra1]

Refund his money and ban? I'm sure we could all pitch in and make up for the lost donation.

[SharkWhisperer]

Refund his money and ban? I'm sure we could all pitch in and make up for the lost donation.

Precisely what do you bring to the forum with your yet-to-be-demonstrated pyro knowledge? What exactly can you "pitch in" with your expansive personal pyro experience?

Edited February 13, 2020 by SharkWhisperer