joeyz Posted September 11, 2016 Posted September 11, 2016 great points. i think its time for me to pickup some lumber, plywood and screen on my next visit to lowes and make a 8 foot multi level drying table box with screen air vents on bottom and sides.
starxplor Posted September 11, 2016 Posted September 11, 2016 8 foot tall? you must be a giant! Of course, all that material costs money vs getting someone to give you their old grill when they stop using it for the season shortly. (do people in the south stop using them after summer?)
NeighborJ Posted September 11, 2016 Posted September 11, 2016 There's always football season, my grill gets used year round. I've been outside grilling in -10degree weather. There's no weather that can stop a craving for red meat. I have an awning on my pyro shed. I just lay my screens out on that but in winter I have a large cabinet with a fan and a 400w light bulb.
starxplor Posted September 11, 2016 Posted September 11, 2016 Ahh, the only people I know who grill during football season are doing it with mobile grills in parking lots near the stadium. If they are at home, they don't want to be outside, in the possible multiple feet of snow.
NeighborJ Posted September 11, 2016 Posted September 11, 2016 (edited) I've never been able to use parlon with TT, or any charcoal comp. It burns into a cinder and does not allow the charcoal to float away from the main body(essentially killing the effect). It also becomes extremely hard to light if at all, that's not to mention that parlon is a very poor binder, that's why veline used red gum and dextrin. At least you can choose which solvent you can use on them. Adding parlon is a good way to screw up a nice easy star. No offense, I had the same questions until I tried it. If you are determined to not use water then I'd suggest using nc. I've never tried it as a charcoal star binder but I use it to apply prime all the time. If anything has a chance it's nc but understand it will not be the exact same effect so you may need to play with the formula a little to get what you want. Edited September 11, 2016 by NeighborJ
joeyz Posted September 11, 2016 Posted September 11, 2016 8 foot tall? you must be a giant! Of course, all that material costs money vs getting someone to give you their old grill when they stop using it for the season shortly. (do people in the south stop using them after summer?)meant 8' long sorry. LOL @ 8' foot tall big foot bar counter. hahahaha
Maserface Posted September 11, 2016 Posted September 11, 2016 (edited) The best time to plant a tree, is 20 years ago. Getting in a hurry is dangerous in pyrotechnics. Using hazardous solvents and expensive binders for TT is a total waste in my opinion. Edited September 11, 2016 by Maserface 1
joeyz Posted September 11, 2016 Posted September 11, 2016 (edited) not sure brother, i thought it takes longer to dry and was stickier and dense. its been years since i used that way. i think it would hurt the effect of tiger tail though. maybe if he didnt ball mill the comp and hand mixed in bowl for a spider tail might compensate effect if parlon is used. its been so long cant really remember the issues i had with parlon in the past. it might be ignition or effect.i think i remember now what my issue was years ago with parlon. it wasnt about making tiger tails with parlon, i use dextrin. my issue was making red stars with parlon and not letting them fully dry out before star rolling them with tiger tail comp for multi effect. my tiger tail to red stars werent very nice and someone on www.pyrouniverse.com mentioned it was because of the parlon and for me to let the stars completely dry before coating red parlon stars with TT or you can ruin the TT effect. if i didnt have time to wait, someone mentioned to roll red parlon stars in spider tail comp (unmilled TT, courser charcoal) as a work around. i dont recall anyone ever using parlon directly in tt comp but then again there are so many ideas out there. maser, years ago, i did try pure tt comp without the binder (dextrin). it was hard to patty cake them out on board to cut, developed cracks and my comets or stars fell apart on breaks, blast or if i accidently dropped a completely dry one. do you use something besides water to keep together or you talking star rolling coating existing stars that absorb the mix. i can see how star rolling packs it down around a star. im always interested in learning shortcuts and tricks. Edited September 11, 2016 by joeyz
Mumbles Posted September 11, 2016 Posted September 11, 2016 I haven't heard of anyone using parlon to bind tigertail or other charcoal streamers, nor would I really suggest it. Water and dextrin works perfectly. Charcoal compositions can take a while to dry. You hear stories of multiple weeks, but this has always been on the extreme end for me. They've generally dried within around a week with adequate airflow. I would also suggest against using 50:50 water alcohol. This is getting to the point where the alcohol can inhibit the dextrin. I would suggest not going any higher than 25%. Dextrin is more robust to alcohol than SGRS, but even it has a limit. If you're looking for something quicker drying or non-aqueous you should look into phenolic resin or polyvinylbutyral (PVB, butvar, etc.).
Tim1877 Posted September 12, 2016 Author Posted September 12, 2016 I just want to thank all of you for all of your replies I am totally new to all this I have read a ton of the articles on this site and hopefully I am learning somethings this site is a great place to start so many helpful people with so much knowledge you are willing to share with people like me just starting out in this hobby.
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