bigbuck Posted July 5, 2016 Posted July 5, 2016 anyone have a rolled glitter star formula simular to winokur #20
Mumbles Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 For what it's worth, the Pyrotechnic Compositions section is more of a central depository for tried and true formulas. I moved this thread. To answer your question, you can roll, cut, or pump basically any glitter. Each method will give a slightly different appearance.
pyroman2498 Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) Twinkling Snowflake By:Independence Aluminum 10 Boric Acid1 Dextrin 5 Barium Nitrate 16 Sulfur 11 Charcoal 9 Antimony Sulfide 13 Potassium Nitrate 35 Winokur #1 Potassium Nitrate 35 Strontium Nitrate 15 Charcoal Airfloat 13 Magnalium Granular -200 mesh 12 Sulfur 10 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 10 Dextrin 5 Pinkish glitter. Hygroscopic, but useable. Winokur #2 Potassium Nitrate 40 Strontium Nitrate 10 Charcoal Airfloat 13 Magnalium Granular -200 mesh 12 Sulfur 10 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 10 Dextrin 5 Pinkish glitter. Hygroscopic, but useable. Winokur #3 Potassium Nitrate 50 Magnalium Granular -200 mesh 12 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 10 Sulfur 9 Charcoal Airfloat 8 Strontium Carbonate 6 Dextrin 4 Pinkish glitter. Hygroscopic, but useable. Winokur #4 Potassium Nitrate 50 Magnalium Granular -200 mesh 12 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 10 Sulfur 9 Charcoal Airfloat 8 Sodium Oxalate 6 Dextrin 4 Pinkish glitter. Hygroscopic, but useable. Winokur #5 Potassium Nitrate 40 Sodium Nitrate 10 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 10 Sulfur 9 Magnalium Granular -200 mesh 9 Sodium Oxalate 8 Dextrin 4 Pinkish glitter. Even more hygroscopic than win 1-4, but useable. Winokur #6 Potassium Nitrate 53 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 16 Charcoal Airfloat 13 Sulfur 9 Aluminium, Flake, bright -325 mesh, 36 micron 4.5 Dextrin 4.5 A white glitter with a rather high percentage of antimony trisulfide. Winokur #7 Potassium Nitrate 35 Barium Nitrate 20 Sulfur 14 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 9 Sodium Oxalate 8 Dextrin 4 Gold glitter that uses sodium oxalate to enhance the glitter without the use of antimony trisulfide. Sodium bicarbonate may replace the oxalate with similar results. Winokur #8 Potassium Nitrate 37 Barium Nitrate 15 Sulfur 15 Magnalium Granular -200 mesh 13 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Iron (III) Oxide, red 6 Dextrin 4 White glitter that uses iron oxide and sulfur to replace antimony trisulfide. While the effect is inferior to antimony, the formula is still useable. Winokur #9 Potassium Nitrate 35 Barium Nitrate 20 Magnalium Granular -200 mesh 12 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Sulfur 10 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 9 Dextrin 4 Good white glitter that uses barium nitrate as both the oxidizer and the ''retardant.'' Winokur #10 Potassium Nitrate 35 Barium Nitrate 20 Sulfur 17 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 14 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Dextrin 4 Excellent white glitter with long tail, fine grain and dense Winokur #11 Potassium Nitrate 40 Barium Nitrate 20 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 14 Sulfur 10 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Dextrin 5 Excellent white glitter with long tail, fine grain and dense. Winokur #12 Potassium Nitrate 40 Barium Nitrate 20 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 14 Sulfur 10 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Dextrin 5 Iron (III) Oxide, red 1 Excellent white glitter with long tail, fine grain and dense. Winokur #13 Potassium Nitrate 50 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 10 Charcoal Airfloat 9 Sulfur 9 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 6 Dextrin 4 Magnalium Granular -200 mesh 3 Off-white glitter with attractive lacy effect. Winokur #14 Potassium Nitrate 50 Sulfur 11 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 8 Dextrin 5 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 5 Sodium Bicarbonate 5 Magnalium Granular -200 mesh 4 Off-white glitter with attractive lacy effect. Winokur #15 Potassium Nitrate 48 Magnalium Granular -325 mesh 14 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 10 Charcoal Airfloat 9 Sulfur 9 Sodium Bicarbonate 7 Dextrin 4 Gold magnalium glitter. Large flashes, good delay and long tail. Winokur #16 Potassium Nitrate 48 Magnalium Granular -200 mesh 12 Charcoal Airfloat 11 Sulfur 9 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 9 Sodium Bicarbonate 7 Dextrin 4 Gold glitter almost identical to Win 15, with large flashes, good delay and long tail. Winokur #17 Potassium Nitrate 47 Charcoal Airfloat 13 Sulfur 13 Magnalium Granular -200 mesh 12 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 10 Dextrin 5 Similar to Win 15 and 16 except white in color instead of gold. Winokur #18 Potassium Nitrate 50 Sulfur 15 Magnalium Granular -200 mesh 13 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 7 Dextrin 5 Similar to Win 15 and 16 except white in color instead of gold. Winokur #19 Potassium Nitrate 50 Sulfur 20 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Magnalium Granular -200 mesh 10 Sodium Bicarbonate 6 Dextrin 4 Coarse gold glitter with short tail and moderate density. The advantage is that it doesn't contain antimony trisulfide, making it a cheaper glitter comp. Winokur #20 Potassium Nitrate 48 Sulfur 17 Magnalium Granular -200 mesh 12 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Sodium Bicarbonate 5 Iron (III) Oxide, red 4 Dextrin 4 Gold glitter similar to Win 19, with very long delay creating more of a gold strobe effect. Note the absence of antimony. Winokur #21 Chemical Name Parts Potassium Nitrate 52 Sulfur 15 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Aluminium, Flake, bright -325 mesh, 36 micron 6 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 6 Sodium Bicarbonate 6 Dextrin 5 Medium grained dense gold glitter using baking soda as a burning inhibitor and glitter enhancer. Winokur #22 Potassium Nitrate 50 Sulfur 18 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Aluminium, Flake, bright -325 mesh, 36 micron 8 Sodium Bicarbonate 6 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 4 Dextrin 4 Medium grained dense gold glitter using baking soda as a burning inhibitor and glitter enhancer. Winokur #23 Potassium Nitrate 50 Sulfur 20 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Aluminium, Flake, bright -325 mesh, 36 micron 8 Sodium Bicarbonate 8 Dextrin 4 Medium grained dense gold glitter using baking soda as a burning inhibitor and glitter enhancer. Note the absence of antimony. Winokur #24 Potassium Nitrate 52 Sulfur 21 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Aluminium, Flake, bright -325 mesh, 36 micron 6 Sodium Chloride 6 Dextrin 5 Produces a good gold glitter with excellent color and good delay. Unfortunately, it is quite hygroscopic. Winokur #25 Potassium Nitrate 52 Sulfur 17 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Aluminium, Flake, bright -325 mesh, 36 micron 6 Sodium Bicarbonate 5 Iron (III) Oxide, red 5 Dextrin 5 A silver glitter with fairly large flashes and a medium short tail. No more than 8% water can be used when mixing. The low usage of expensive metals makes this a very cheap formula ideally suited for comets. Winokur #26 Potassium Nitrate 52 Sulfur 21 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Aluminium, Flake, bright -325 mesh, 36 micron 6 Iron (III) Oxide, red 6 Dextrin 6 A silver glitter with fairly large flashes and a medium short tail. The low usage of expensive metals makes this a very cheap formula ideally suited for comets. Winokur #27 Potassium Nitrate 50 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 10 Charcoal Airfloat 9 Sulfur 9 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 9 Sodium Bicarbonate 9 Dextrin 4 A fine grained off white glitter that produces small but symmetrical flashes. Fallout with this formula is large enough to pose a potential problem Winokur #28 Potassium Nitrate 50 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 10 Charcoal Airfloat 9 Sulfur 9 Sodium Bicarbonate 9 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 6 Dextrin 4 Aluminium, Flake, Dark, American Dark, -325 mesh 3 A fine grained glitter that produces small but symmetrical flashes. Dark aluminium is added to solve problems with fallout and increase flash density. Winokur #29 Potassium Nitrate 50 Sulfur 15 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 10 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 7 Sodium Bicarbonate 7 Dextrin 4 Aluminium, Flake, Dark, American Dark, -325 mesh 1 A fine grained glitter that produces small but symmetrical flashes. Dark aluminium is added to solve problems with fallout and increase flash density. Winokur #30 Potassium Nitrate 50 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 10 Charcoal Airfloat 9 Sulfur 9 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 8 Sodium Bicarbonate 6 Aluminium, Flake, Dark, American Dark, -325 mesh 4 Dextrin 4 A fine grained glitter that produces small but symmetrical flashes. Dark aluminium is added to solve problems with fallout and increase flash density. Winokur #31 Potassium Nitrate 45 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 12 Barium Nitrate 10 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Sulfur 10 Dextrin 5 Iron (III) Oxide, red 4 Barium Carbonate 4 Excellent, cheap white glitter with medium sized flashes. Winokur #32 Potassium Nitrate 38 Barium Nitrate 14 Sulfur 13 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 12 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Iron (III) Oxide, red 8 Dextrin 5 Excellent, cheap white glitter with medium sized flashes. Winokur #33 Potassium Nitrate 43 Barium Nitrate 13 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 13 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Sulfur 10 Iron (III) Oxide, red 7 Dextrin 4 Excellent, cheap white glitter with medium sized flashes. Winokur #34 Potassium Nitrate 40 Barium Nitrate 16 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 12 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Sulfur 10 Dextrin 5 Excellent, cheap white glitter with medium sized flashes. Winokur #35 Potassium Nitrate 36 Barium Nitrate 16 Sulfur 13 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 12 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Iron (III) Oxide, red 8 Dextrin 5 Excellent, cheap white glitter with medium sized flashes. Winokur #36 Chemical Name Parts Potassium Nitrate 43 Barium Nitrate 16 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 12 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Sulfur 10 Iron (III) Oxide, red 10 Dextrin 4 Excellent, cheap white glitter with medium sized flashes. Winokur #37 Potassium Nitrate 40 Barium Nitrate 14 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 12 Sulfur 11 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Iron (III) Oxide, red 7 Dextrin 4 Barium Carbonate 2 Excellent, cheap white glitter with medium sized flashes. Winokur #38 Potassium Nitrate 40 Barium Nitrate 13 Sulfur 12 Charcoal Airfloat 12 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 12 Iron (III) Oxide, red 7 Dextrin 4 White glitter with medium size flashes. Charcoal is the burning retardant. Taken from Pyrotechnica II. Winokur #39 Potassium Nitrate 45 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 12 Barium Nitrate 10 Charcoal Airfloat 10 Sulfur 10 Dextrin 5 Iron (III) Oxide, red 4 Barium Carbonate 4 Excellent, cheap white glitter with medium sized flashes. Winokur #40 Potassium Nitrate 51 Charcoal Airfloat 19 Antimony Trisulfide, Chinese Needle 12 Aluminium, atom, spher, 120-325 mesh, 20 micron 8 Barium Carbonate 5 Dextrin 5 Barium Carbonate 5 Magnalium, granular, -60 mesh 2.5 Use 2% barium carbonate for first prime layer Edited July 6, 2016 by pyroman2498
Rushfire Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) I used this glitter star formula for the 4th and they were gorgeous. Gold color very nice break and they stream down gracefully for a long duration, twinkling at the end. Fireflies by Bill KimbroughPotassium Nitrate.................................46Pine Charcoal.....................................44Sulphur ..........................................6Magnalium, 30 mesh................................10Barium Carbonate..................................6Dextrin...........................................5 Edited July 6, 2016 by Rushfire
ExplosiveCoek Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 That Firefly comp is more of a slowed down 'willow' comp with additional rough metals which give delayed sparks, not really a glitter
AzoMittle Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) Can someone provide a source for the "Twinkling Snowflake"? Also, any suggestions for the type of Aluminum to use? For what it's worth I put together a comparison sheet of Winokur's formulas a few years back:https://www.amateurpyro.com/forums/files/file/114-%7B%3F%7D/ Edited July 6, 2016 by AzoMittle
pyroman2498 Posted July 6, 2016 Posted July 6, 2016 Can someone provide a source for the "Twinkling Snowflake"? Also, any suggestions for the type of Aluminum to use? For what it's worth I put together a comparison sheet of Winokur's formulas a few years back:Source : Independence
bigbuck Posted July 15, 2016 Author Posted July 15, 2016 if a glitter star formula calls for boric acid can it be mixed in dry state to comps? or does it need to be dissolved in solevent?
Carbon796 Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 Either will work, but dissolved is said to be more effective. If using it dry, it should be finely powderd.
bigbuck Posted July 17, 2016 Author Posted July 17, 2016 when adding boric acid to water for solvent lets say it takes 2% do you measure water weight and use 2% boric acid of weight of water?
Mumbles Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 It only gets actually measured if adding it dry. Otherwise you use about a 4% solution of boric acid in water, which I keep stocked. It doesn't go bad. You tend to add far less by mass if using a solution of it, but it tends to be more effective. I also only use it with aluminum glitters.
Visco Posted August 30, 2016 Posted August 30, 2016 Hey guys I'm new to the pyro skill and in no way want to hijack this thread. But can't seem to post a new topic yet. I have a question. I'm working on some two inch shells, have the casing, fuse, gummed tape and have already made a couple batches of black powder meal and have grained some. I bought a D1 glitter comet kit from a supplier and it came with a 5/8 comet press. Two big for the 2" shells I'm making. Is their a simple tool that I can make to press smaller say 3/8 stars? Or can this composition be altered to make cut starrs. Just trying to keep it simple and as cheep as I can as I'm starting out. Any information would be greatly appreciated. You have a good place here, I hope I can be a good addition to the site. Thanks.
NeighborJ Posted August 30, 2016 Posted August 30, 2016 Hi visco, to answer your question yes and yes. D1 needs no modification to cut except the addition of a tiny bit more water. It will be difficult to cut such small stars because they tend to get ragged and fall apart before they dry. I've added even more water and rolled it out into snakes and cut it up into pillow shaped stars but it needs to dry fast otherwise it will kill the glitter effect. One easy thing to use as a star pump is a syringe with the end cut off. It makes nice comets but it is tedious. I assume you don't have a star roller yet but you could try toro rolling. It can be the easiest of the three but it does take some practice.
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