pyralex Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) at first, i was very dissapointed that i had to order almost every chemical online. I want to make many fireworks but simply dont have the wallet to pay for shipping everytime i need to restock chems that iam probably only going to use once. SOLUTION: i manufacture about 20% of the chemicals that i currently have in my house using synthesis from common household materials. Here i will provide a list of home chemicals that can be bought from a regular store. 1. Hydrochloric acid 34% (as Muriatic acid from Home Depot, buy the red one, not the green "safe" one)2. Copper sulfate (from home depot as Root Killer)3. Potassium Nitrate (as Spectracide brand stump remover from Loews)4. Sodium Bicarbonate (if you dont know what this is, you shouldnt be on the forums, PM me if youre new to chemistry though)5. 10% Phosphoric acid 20% HNO3 70% H2O (as OTC nitiric acid, can be distilled to achieve pure acids)6. Strontium Nitrate (in Rode Flares)7. Copper Carbonate (can be made by reacting aqueous CuSO4)8. Sulfuric acid (can be made by concentrating Hydrogen Peroxide to 30%, then bubling through SO2 from burning sulfur into that H202, then concentrating the H2SO4 by boiling off the excess water)9. Nitric Acid (can be made by bubling NO2 through water, the NO2 is made by reacting KNO3 with HCL, then reacting the very weak HNO3 with Cu to get pure NO2 gas which can then be bubbled though the water)10 and 11 removed NOTE: ALL OF THESE CHEMICALS CAN BE MADE WITHOUT BUYING ANYTHING ONLINE, ALTHOUGH NOT TESTED ALL IS THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE, THE LIST WOULD BE MUCH LONGER BUT I DO NOT KNOW ANY MORE COOL / USEFUL CHEMS YOU CAN BUY (NOT ONLINE) OR SYNTHESIZE AT HOME. Edited July 15, 2015 by Mumbles
schroedinger Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Just one or two things. Your 9 sounds quite stupid, as it is a big waste. Much easier and more effective is using sulfuric acid (it doesn't need to be concentrated), which can be gotten at many places e.g for car batteries and i hear also as drain cleaner. Mix it with common fertilzer (the higher the nitrat content the better, but it needs to contain nitrate) and distill of the acid. The phosohoric acid that can be generated during this process is no problem, since it has a high boiling point. The strontium nitrate from rode flares (do you meand road?) Sounds like an extraction at a quite high price. Better get the carbonate (local pottery supply) and react it with the nitrate. And you missed copper oxide which is very easy to make.
pyralex Posted July 16, 2015 Author Posted July 16, 2015 Just one or two things. Your 9 sounds quite stupid, as it is a big waste. Much easier and more effective is using sulfuric acid (it doesn't need to be concentrated), which can be gotten at many places e.g for car batteries and i hear also as drain cleaner. Mix it with common fertilzer (the higher the nitrat content the better, but it needs to contain nitrate) and distill of the acid. The phosohoric acid that can be generated during this process is no problem, since it has a high boiling point. The strontium nitrate from rode flares (do you meand road?) Sounds like an extraction at a quite high price. Better get the carbonate (local pottery supply) and react it with the nitrate. And you missed copper oxide which is very easy to make.well, where I live, I cannot get H2SO4 anywhere, yes the acid COULD be distiled but we are talking about home chemistry here, to distill the nitric acid, you need to be in a specific range of temperatures in which only the nitric boils.and thats vry hard to achieve with crude homemade retorts/distilators. also can you please specify the SrCO3? didnt know you could get it for pottery. copper oxide? and what is it used for? almost nothing. maybe like a few thermites. please inquire to me on how to make the CuO and how to buy SrCO3
wildcherryxoxo Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Shipping really isn't that bad; but considering you are willing to tear into road flares for strontium nitrate tells me you are just being dramatic. I wonder if anybody who does "home chemistry" doesn't already know this stuff? You are basically just telling us what's on the label.
gregh Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 To quote somebody from another post... "wow." I am usually not rude but, really? I am surprised even wildcherry is being "nice" to you. CuO is used in many blues, dragon eggs, and some primes. I sure use it a lot more than nitric and sulfuric acids. I can only imagine what two winners Mumbles had to delete... picric acid? BTW, sulfuric acid is available at your local "loews" sulfuric acid
schroedinger Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Making nitric acid isn't that hard at all. But since you are speaking of crude homemade retorts or distills. My feeling is that you do not know what you are doi g it all. Dealing with NO2 in the way you suggest is just foolish and dumb. Sry for beeing so rude, but chemistry is nothing wnere you will get away eithout propper knowledge and working space/tools. Just a small hint NO2 is quite good at killing people if handled wrong.
pyralex Posted July 16, 2015 Author Posted July 16, 2015 To quote somebody from another post... "wow." I am usually not rude but, really? I am surprised even wildcherry is being "nice" to you. CuO is used in many blues, dragon eggs, and some primes. I sure use it a lot more than nitric and sulfuric acids. I can only imagine what two winners Mumbles had to delete... picric acid? BTW, sulfuric acid is available at your local "loews" sulfuric acid OK, I have lived in both los Angeles and nyc but NOWHERE could you buy pure sulfuric acid in a hardware store in my areas where I lived
Jakenbake Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 I live in cali and I can get 95% sulfuric acid at "lowes". You should really start listening to people on this forum.
Arthur Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 What we really need is a method to make nitrate from atmospheric nitrogen and oxygen.
Mumbles Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 It can be done, even at home. It's most commonly done by the Birkeland-Eyde process. Not efficient in the least, but that should make it fit in really well with some of the methods mentioned above.
schroedinger Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 Well the Birkeland-Eyde or other process on the bases of it aren't to worse for home use. There is quite some research done over at sciencemaddnes. The process yields about 2-4 % NO2 kn the air that passes the arc and the nitric acid is a little bit cheaper compared to buying it (At least for private persons). But there is an other processes that work. The nitrification by bacteria in soils.
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