MWJ Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 If I wanted to start a web site with a friend in Canada, Who could we ask to find out the regulations on chemicals to sell? It will be ran from Canada so shipping to Canada wont be an issue for any one living in Canada. Thanks everyone,Mike
DaMounty Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 Hi, If there is anything I can do to help? This website would be a good start. www.nrcan.gc.ca/explosives/acts-regulations/9839 This is the governing body that I did my training with for my Pyrotechnician certificate. Again let me know if there is anyway I can help. DaM 1
OblivionFall Posted June 25, 2015 Posted June 25, 2015 Yeah I'm with you on this one. There are quite a few people looking to make fireworks in Canada. Your best bet would be selling the tubes and stuff that Pyrocreations sells. The upside would be that Canadians wouldn't have to pay a $50 shipping fee.
mikeee Posted June 25, 2015 Posted June 25, 2015 What the "F" is the deal with shipping fees, I can order crap directly from China with free shipping.But if I want to buy something from Canada or ship something to Canada they rape you on the shipping fee.This "free trade" is a one sided deal for most of us.
deer Posted June 26, 2015 Posted June 26, 2015 While trying to locate lost packages and such, I've learned that many large sellers have something like bulk shipping contracts, where they do most of the package processing themselves and just drop a batch off at some larger sorting station. And AFAIK most of the work done for every package is exactly the processing. OTOH in west even the large retailers still have high shipping prices. As for legality. Not sure about Canada, but it might be worth paying attention to differences between sales to individuals and companies. In here limitations as to bulk materials for companies are next to none (except for ready to use, regulated products or very specific substances) and the buying party is responsible for whatever they are going to do with the stuff. Selling to individuals is much more regulated. Also I would pay attention to the exact format of your store. If you have any actual place where people can come in to receive products, regulations might be much stricter than having a warehouse and buyers receiving products only in mail.
Arthur Posted June 26, 2015 Posted June 26, 2015 Getting the shipping correct for hazardous goods could be a challenge. MANY chems only travel by land because the compliance for air transport is too expensive.
insutama Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 What i dont understand is why fuse is so expensive here in canada and so cheap in the states its the same fuse but in canada anywere that sells visco is around 1$ a foot and no one thats located in the states will ship to canada i dont get it because fuse must be legal i can buy it in my local gun shop but its so expensive i wouldnt mind starting a store that sells fuse to Canadians for a reasonable price id just have to go to the states buy 1,000 feet and bring it back myself. does anyone know why no one ships fuse to canada unless the company is located in canada but then its outrageously expensive and next to no selection 1
deer Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) Lack of demand probably. If the potential uses are so limited no-one buys fuse, sellers cant buy large stock in wholesale thus making it more expensive. Edited June 27, 2015 by deer
Arthur Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 A market where you can name all the potential customers in a country the size of Canada, really isn't a market. That's why supplies are hard to come by and expensive. You are hoping that someone will stock 1000m of each of three to ten types of fuse, knowing that the stock will last ten plus years and may degrade before it's sold. Add that you want it at the cheapest price you can find by web search with free hazmat transport. I can see why no-one finds it a viable stock item.
DaMounty Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 Aside from the chems issue. Everyday supplies would be fantastic. Tubes, paper, etc. DaM 1
OblivionFall Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) What i dont understand is why fuse is so expensive here in canada and so cheap in the states its the same fuse but in canada anywere that sells visco is around 1$ a foot and no one thats located in the states will ship to canada i dont get it because fuse must be legal i can buy it in my local gun shop but its so expensive i wouldnt mind starting a store that sells fuse to Canadians for a reasonable price id just have to go to the states buy 1,000 feet and bring it back myself. does anyone know why no one ships fuse to canada unless the company is located in canada but then its outrageously expensive and next to no selection Email Pyrofire.eu for fuse. I just bought 985 feet off of them (300 Meters) for $115 which is $0.12 per foot.Yeah, even just a small online company that sells tubes, supplies, tooling etc. would probably work out. Maybe even just an account on ebay that sells a bunch of different things would be a good idea. EDIT: I MEANT TO SAY $115 NOT $15 Edited June 28, 2015 by OblivionFall
insutama Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) did your fuse get to you yet ? i just went to pyrofire and i dont see fuse for that cheap its 24 euros for 100 meters so how did you get such a good deal ? Edited June 28, 2015 by insutama
coogan1997 Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 Email Pyrofire.eu for fuse. I just bought 985 feet off of them (300 Meters) for $15 which is $0.12 per foot. That doesn't make any sense! 12¢ a foot and you have 985 feet of fuse... should be around $118
MWJ Posted June 28, 2015 Author Posted June 28, 2015 On the web site it says 25 Euro for 100 meters. That's $28.00 US. That's $84.00 for 300 meters plus shipping. Where did you get $15.00? You must have got an awesome deal or they messed up. Did you get it yet?
OblivionFall Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 On the web site it says 25 Euro for 100 meters. That's $28.00 US. That's $84.00 for 300 meters plus shipping. Where did you get $15.00? You must have got an awesome deal or they messed up. Did you get it yet?Woops I meant to say $115
MWJ Posted June 29, 2015 Author Posted June 29, 2015 Too bad, I thought you got an incredible deal. 300 meters what last me a very long time.
DaMounty Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Happy Canada Day! I'm finally getting out to shoot my first commercial show. I knew my pyrotechnics assistant license would come in handy one day. A local company picked me up to help shoot!!!! Can't wait. BE safe all and have a great day. DaM
insutama Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Canada day is tomorrow but congrats on ur first show I'm pumped for you hope everything is amazing stay safe buddy.I was going to take my pyrotechnics assistance course I was booked for it but had to miss it because of work take lots of pics Edited June 30, 2015 by insutama 1
DaMounty Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Of course it's tomorrow, but I won"t be on tomorrow
DaMounty Posted July 2, 2015 Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) Wow! Prior to yesterday I had only experienced home use fireworks, and my own film can shells. I am still at a loss for words.From set-up to firing to tear down, Mam o Man has this hobby got me. An I got paid to do it!!! The largest we fired yesterday was 6" and also had a couple of nautical shells. It was awesome!! Below is a shot of us waiting with a full moon coming up over the horizon. Edited July 2, 2015 by DaMounty
Coyote Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Fellow Canadian here. My concern is that opening a hobby fireworks supply store is questionably legal here, if not outright illegal. I know that building fireworks as a hobbyist is strongly frowned upon, and if you get caught, they'll mark down every chemical you have and charge you with owning each one, according to my supervisor at the ERD. Hobby fireworks should be legal here, and we should have clubs to build legally, but I think you'll have a hard time getting started under our current system of government. As a hobbyist, I was investigated by CSIS as a potential terrorist. That said, I'll call Rachel or Montserrat at the ERD this week and ask for their views on the viability of opening a shop. I wish I could be more optimistic. If there is any chance of legally doing it, of course I'd be interested in helping out! But I'd really want to investigate the legal details beforehand. 1
Arthur Posted July 26, 2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Opening a pyro supplies shop may tweak the law too much, BUT many chems come into Canada for other purposes, Cardboard and paper are everywhere, charcoal is for DIY making nitrate is a common fertiliser, Lots of things come for the craft pottery industry, Sodium bi carbonate for glitters comes from cookery and baking stores -it's a rising agent for food! PVC -plastics moulding, Dextrin from commercial bakery-(glaze for pastries) If you get some kind of Lawful organisation going there you may just open the law and regulations up a little and be able to use the little space for lawful purposes.
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