jacob Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 aquaman, i think rit has too small an percent of pure dye in it to be usefull for anything but dyeing clothes, however, i have seen another dye at a fabric store that may work, i'll see if i can get some. (and they said you can''t color pot. nitrate based smokes, what nonsense ).
Frozentech Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 aquaman, i think rit has too small an percent of pure dye in it to be usefull for anything but dyeing clothes, however, i have seen another dye at a fabric store that may work, i'll see if i can get some. (and they said you can''t color pot. nitrate based smokes, what nonsense ). A pyro on the UK pyro forum just reported results of his experiments following that vid - said conclusively it is BS and doesn't work, all he could get was a (very thin) gray smoke. I just don't see how how organic dyes that depend on volatilization are going to work with KNO3, without burning into gray or black carbon/soot smoke.
aquaman Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 Oh well. It was worth a shot. I can't believe how hard it is to find smoke dyes. I can find almost everything else that I need for pyro and yet it is still hard to find the dyes. I bet the guy in that video just tore apart smoke bombs and combined them to make a "homemade" one.
Mumbles Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 He never actually said what dye it was. Using some old shit like rhodamine red or whatever that depends on a cool flame may not work, but no one commercially uses that stuff anymore. You may want to look into getting some of thesehttp://www.classicdye.com/lists.asp?dyetype=disperse I only posted that link to provide actual chemical names and product names to look for. Typing in "Disperse red" will not be as productive for finding anything reasonably sized.
jacob Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 where can i buy barium nitrate? Look in the supplier review subform, spoon feeding is against the law here . i guess it was too good to be true, that stinks, but i guess i should have been tipped off that it was a hoax by the fact that he only ever made orange smoke that looked just like those signal smokes, oh well. if i were able to get some smoke dyes would anyone whant to buy some from me?, i have a bunch of dye suppliers around where i live.
pyrogeorge Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 how can made orange smoke bomb?have you got any formula to tell me?
optimus Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 You'll probably want some of this stuff:http://www.answers.com/topic/sudan-i
aquaman Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 The dye has been declared a possible carcinogen. Laboratory tests on rats showed growth of cancerous tumours in the liver. mmmm cancer. I'll stick with my white smoke. Thanks anyways.
Frozentech Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 . if i were able to get some smoke dyes would anyone whant to buy some from me?, i have a bunch of dye suppliers around where i live. I'd like to get some. I am interested in : solvent yellow 33solvent red 1disperse red 11disperse orange 11solvent green 3 See if these suppliers can provide those, and how much they cost. Not sure how much I would want, probably only a pound or 2 of each, depends on price.
jacob Posted July 19, 2007 Posted July 19, 2007 Ok Frozentech i'll see what i can do, i think you may have the same formulas as i do, as i am interested in the same dyes.
psyco_1322 Posted July 19, 2007 Posted July 19, 2007 Skylighter sells smoke dies and jpre mixed colored smoke comps w/o oxidiser. Just add chlorate.
Choco Posted August 11, 2007 Posted August 11, 2007 I just made my first ever smoke bomb! it was 400g. It did not ignite on me and i used a outdoor stove with a tin pot. I didn't ever stop stirring it.I can't wait until tomorrow when can set it off!thanks for the info guys!
mormanman Posted August 11, 2007 Posted August 11, 2007 Wow thats huge. Well just don't do something stupid like me. I almost went to jail for it but it was pretty pissing sweet.
jacob Posted August 11, 2007 Posted August 11, 2007 Well i finaly found two dye companies that do small orders and will sell to individuals. the prices are about 20.00 to 30.00 bucks a pound depending on what kind.
frogy Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 I have been messing around with smoke mixes lately because I get bored of making 2 oz. rockets at like 5 minutes a piece lol... I cooked this mix up with great results-15 grams KNO3 (Potassium Nitrate)-10 grams Sugar-1 gram Iron Oxide (Red)-a few mL of water-a gram of so of NaHCO3 (Baking Soda)-about 1 tablespoon blue RIT dye??? I cooked this to reveal a bluish putty that became rock solid... Since I was hoping to get this into a glass bottle I broke it into powder\chunks and dropped it into a Wine-cooler bottle... Then I light a poece of visco and dropped it in the smoke mix and then the whole thing just ignite making a blue colored bottle and some blue in the smoke... The glass was completely melted and shattered, but I was amazed at how it make the bottle so blue with such a little amount of mix.
mormanman Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 I tried green rit dye and while I was cooking it it caught fire and it was still white smoke.
jacob Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Frogy are you sure that you made real blue smoke with rit dye?, that's unherd of, how blueish was it? do you think it would work the same if i leave out the water and don't melt it?
frogy Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 I really don't know what kind of Dye it was... My mom has a big tub full of arts + crafts stuff and it had tons of boxes of Rit dye, but the stuff I used was in a Rubbermaid container... I mean, I really doubt it's anything other than Rit bye if it's surrounded by other boxes of Rit dye... She does have some other stuff that you can mix with white paint to colorize it though... I tried some other colors and they didn't work Edit:Sorry for not answering question, it was a little paleish blue, but you could see the blue... I think I was to amazed by it being "blue" to notice the camera's CCD was overloaded... But the inside of the bottle was blue after burning and the smoke was slightly blue....
silvakow Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 Has anyone figured out how much baking soda to use? I'm making 500g batches of KNO3/Sugar and I'd like it to burn more slowly. Thanks,Eric
frogy Posted September 15, 2007 Posted September 15, 2007 I don't really measure it... Try adding about +5%... With Meal powder I add 15% and it makes it burn much slower, but smoke is already slower in the first place... Note* Adding Sodium Bicarbonate greatly increases the hygroscopicy (spelling? hehe) of a mixture.. Simply adding more sugar should slow it down and make much more smoke...
FrKoNaLeaSh1010 Posted September 16, 2007 Posted September 16, 2007 I can guarantee you that the blue you saw in the smoke was the violet flame assosiated with burning the potassium in the kno3....I have never had RIT dies work at all for colored smoke. KMNO4/zn makes a better colored smoke (slightly green) than RIT/kno3/sugar smokes do
BombinRamen Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 yes, i believe it would stain the mixture (color it) and the "blue" you saw was just the purple flame given off from the potass.nitrate is it possibe to make decent flash with... 65% potassium nitrate35% german dark aluminum also where can i obtain potassium perchlorate in incriments less than 5 lbs. united nuclear stopped selling them
TheSidewinder Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 BombinRaimen, Go look at your followup post about Flash. To reiterate, discussion of such things are prohibited outside the HE section. AND, you've hijacked this thread with an unrelated issue. Friendly advice, just FYI. You're going to draw the unfavorable attention of an Admin if you continue that path. M
whitefox77 Posted November 24, 2007 Posted November 24, 2007 I've been looking for a really good smoke mix. I tried KNO3/sugar, but in all honesty wasn't impressed by the quantity of smoke compared to the quantity of mix. Not to mention I was a bit nervous melting them together. I then tried Skylighter's blue smoke mix. Rather impressive, but expensive and messy to work with. Besides, I only need white smoke. What did work:6 parts KNO34 parts sugar3 parts baking soda3 parts paraffin wax There is no need to cook/melt this, and trying to would probably just make a mess. This mix put into a 1 1/2" x 5/8" paper tube with a solid cap at one end, and a cap with a 1/8" whole at the other will burn as long, and produce as much smoke as a 4 1/2" x 1 1/4" tube with the "standard" KNO3/sugar smoke mix. I made one of these in a 4 1/2" x 1 1/4" tube, and it burned for 11 1/2 minutes, and left a 3/4 acre area hazy with smoke. Make sure to grind your wax to as small a partial size as possible. And mix it really well since the wax will try to separate from the other chems during the mixing process if your not careful.
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