schroedinger Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) Which size should the comets (TT) be in a 6" coconut tree shell? Edited October 16, 2014 by schroedinger
dagabu Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 Ned Gorski had 12 in his 12" shell plus two coconuts. 12 sure looked good to me. His were 3.5" diameter by 2.5" tall. Try 1" and see if you can get six per side nice and tight (5 in a ring just under the hemi line and one in the bottom).
Seymour Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) While it is a matter of taste, I'd suggest about 1". I'm also thinking that while I absolutely love TT, it may be a bit long burning. I'd be tempted to use Chrysanthemum 8. Edit: I just saw Dag beat me to it, but we both said 1", which is reassuring Edited October 17, 2014 by Seymour
dynomike1 Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) I use 2X2" in my 6" with Miller. I Don't have enough chem. for Winokur39. Edited October 17, 2014 by dynomike1
schroedinger Posted October 17, 2014 Author Posted October 17, 2014 Ok than i will go for the 1" milled TT and add some FeTi those will burn fast enough. With 2" nuts
enanthate Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 Great idea, will make this myself. Got 50 1" Slow gold that i havent been able to use How do you control the direction of the shell? Attach a line to the bottom of it or something?
MrB Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Attach a line to the bottom of it or something?That usually works.B!
enanthate Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Dag mentioned having one in the bottom and 5 in a ring, how about putting the bottomstar in the very center of the shell? This way the orientation might not affect the result much. Edit: Wow, just watched Ned's silver palm. Amazing. What you want is that "grape nut Ti". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RedaGoI51E Edited October 23, 2014 by enanthate
Mumbles Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Why do you need to control the orientation of a palm tree shell?
enanthate Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) I assumed you have to because of the one star in the bottom that dag mentioned. What if this one star is shot straight to the side? I'm obviously assuming that this star is the "leg" of the tree.Well, there is also a circle in there. If this circle is broken vertically that wouldn't be a nice tree anymore. Edited October 23, 2014 by enanthate
Mumbles Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Nope. The leg or trunk of the tree you're talking about, is usually a rising comet on the outside of the shell. The 12ish comets inside the shell break in a generally symmetrical fashion. You have to remember, the star in the bottom of the hemi is going to be mirrored by a star in the top as well.
enanthate Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) OK, I don't understand the purpose of the top and bottom stars then.For the rising tail to simulate the trunk of the tree, you need something that hangs for a while. I only got 100 mesh titanium, so looking for coarser stuff now (preferably the grape nut stuff that Ned uses). I'm surprised how long that stuff hangs in the sky.How long would 100mesh titanium sponge hang for? Have had the stuff for 2 years, but haven't tried it yet... Edited October 23, 2014 by enanthate
Maserface Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 im beating my head against the wall here, but ok. Take your hemis, put a comet in the "bottom" of each, then stack 5 more comets around it, in BOTH hemis. Its just a regular shell made with large comets.
enanthate Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) im beating my head against the wall here, but ok. Take your hemis, put a comet in the "bottom" of each, then stack 5 more comets around it, in BOTH hemis. Its just a regular shell made with large comets.Did you even read? Let me help you. OK, I don't understand the purpose of the top and bottom stars then. Edited October 23, 2014 by enanthate
Shadowcat1969 Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Enan- what he is telling you is that once the comets are put in the shell you don't have appreciable space between the comets in the "top" and the ones in the "bottom". The comets are large enough to essentially fill the shell. Thus no need to "orient" it, they are evenly space through the entire sphere and will spread and look like a palm tree from the softer burst and gravity.
enanthate Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Is that what maserface is trying to say? The shell is full?Just say it man, how am I supposed to know that. Was talking about my 1" stars tho, it wouldn't even be close to fill the shell. Hence my questions. Thanks for clearing up anyway, Shadow.Will figure it out myself.
enanthate Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I don't know what that's supposed to mean. Judging by your previous comment im guessing there is no point in knowing.
Mumbles Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I don't know what that's supposed to mean. Judging by your previous comment im guessing there is no point in knowing. It means your messages have came off curt, impolite, and disrespectful, which is a good way to get people to stop helping you.
Bobosan Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) I'm having trouble figuring out the "palm/coconut tree" shell naming. Are you guys talking about an Escher's Parasol? Gorski had even better Escher's at PGI this past summer. Edited October 23, 2014 by Bobosan
MrB Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 It's similar. Palmtrees should have a larger or, should i say wider trail up, acting as the trunk. You need some pretty good hang-time. And then you throw out a few huge stars with the same crazy hang-time. People sometime toss in some piggybacked salutes, or smaller bombs to act as "coconuts" but i sort of think they ruin the effect, since they are rarely in the "right" position. That all depends on where your watching from. Commercial palmtrees, at least here, have a tendency to be 7-11 stars, making the branches of the tree. They are soft gold or orange charcoal effects, Sometimes silver that leaves the gold/orange trails. I suppose it's from being heavy charcoal based stuff.Oh, and palm-trees over here are like anything else, limited to 50mm shells. Rockets to 75gr composition. (No idea on the weight figure for the 50mm shells.) How they pull it of on those weights, i have no freaking idea. I use at least 4" shells, and 1" pressed "donut" stars. Not that i do many.B!
enanthate Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 im beating my head against the wall here, but ok. Take your hemis, put a comet in the "bottom" of each, then stack 5 more comets around it, in BOTH hemis. Its just a regular shell made with large comets.I have respect for every individual on this forum.if you expect respect all you have to do is show some yourself. This is starting to get silly.
dagabu Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 I assumed you have to because of the one star in the bottom that dag mentioned. What if this one star is shot straight to the side? I'm obviously assuming that this star is the "leg" of the tree.Well, there is also a circle in there. If this circle is broken vertically that wouldn't be a nice tree anymore.The coconuts are small shells in the center of Neds 12" shells. The top and bottom center comets are simply a placement of the first comet in the hemisphere and not the coconuts. A similar effect can be achieved with well primed and centered smaller comets or pumped stars. They don't look as good in my opinion as shells though. The shell orientation is not important as said above, the heavy comets will drop to form the leaves and the grape nut Ti will hang for quite a long time.
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